Taxacom: Carposinoidea or Copromorphoidea?

Mon Jul 29 21:12:07 CDT 2024

Dear members,

Thank you for your replies. I want to describe the problem in detail here
so that you can see exactly what the problems are and can advise me on what
to do.

1. The following is what I found and know now:

Carposina Herrich-Schäffer, 1853
Carposina berberidella Herrich-Schäffer, 1853
Carposinidae Walsingham, 1897

Copromorpha gypsota Meyrick, 1886
Copromorpha Meyrick, 1886
Copromorphidae Meyrick, 1905
Carposinoidea Walsingham, 1897

2. The following is what I could find from the Wikipedia:

Carposinoidea in Wikipedia:
~ The superfamily is also known as Copromorphoidea, which is a junior
synonym.
~ It has been suggested that the division into two families should be
abandoned (e.g. Holloway et al., 2001).
In the references: Holloway, J.D., Kibby, G and Peggie, D. (1997).
[Probably not 1997 but 2001] The families of Malesian moths and
butterflies. Fauna Malesia Handbooks. 455 pp. Brill Academic Publishers,
Leiden.

Carposinidae in Wikipedia:
~ It is considered possible that the family is artificial, being nested
within Copromorphidae (Dugdale et al., 1999).
In the references: Dugdale, J.S., Kristensen, N.P., Robinson, G.S. and
Scoble, M.J. (1999) [1998]. The smaller microlepidoptera grade
superfamilies, Ch.13., pp. 217–232 in Kristensen, N.P. (Ed.). Lepidoptera,
Moths and Butterflies. Volume 1: Evolution, Systematics, and Biogeography.
Handbuch der Zoologie. Eine Naturgeschichte der Stämme des Tierreiches /
Handbook of Zoology. A Natural History of the phyla of the Animal Kingdom.
Band / Volume IV Arthropoda: Insecta Teilband / Part 35: 491 pp. Walter de
Gruyter, Berlin, New York.

Copromorphidae in Wikipedia:
~ Unlike Carposinidae the mouthparts include "labial palps" with the second
rather than third segment the longest. With other unusual structural
characteristics of the caterpillar and adult, it could represent the sister
lineage of all other extant members of this superfamily (Dugdale et al.,
1999).
In the references: Dugdale, J.S., Kristensen, N.P., Robinson, G.S. and
Scoble, M.J. (1999). The smaller microlepidoptera grade superfamilies,
Ch.13., pp. 217–232 in Kristensen, N.P. (Ed.). Lepidoptera, Moths and
Butterflies. Volume 1: Evolution, Systematics, and Biogeography. Handbuch
der Zoologie. Eine Naturgeschichte der Stämme des Tierreiches / Handbook of
Zoology. A Natural History of the phyla of the Animal Kingdom. Band /
Volume IV Arthropoda: Insecta Teilband / Part 35: 491 pp. Walter de
Gruyter, Berlin, New York.

Copromorphoidea in Wikipedia: redirected to Carposinoidea

3. The following is where Copromorphoidea, instead of Carposinoidea, is
accepted.

nic.FUNET
https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fftp.funet.fi%2Findex%2FTree_of_life%2Finsecta%2Flepidoptera%2Fditrysia%2Fcopromorphoidea%2F%23R1&data=05%7C02%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7C1223e5840e5b487b0afa08dcb03d0a91%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638579024303969123%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=6JBez7xBT7UmhucIL%2BqCZeA%2FE2zjkGtn9GrC5b%2F%2BUMk%3D&reserved=0
noting as follows:
Copromorphoidea Meyrick, 1905
  Carposinoidea Walsingham, 1897

Indiana Nature LLC
https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.indiananature.net%2Fpages%2Ftaxa%2FAnimalia%2Fc%2FCopromorphoidea.php&data=05%7C02%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7C1223e5840e5b487b0afa08dcb03d0a91%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638579024304125185%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=34rmPiXLAf8%2BcTCa6u5c4FyO1jbf9RsP1byHu4nOaX4%3D&reserved=0
noting as follows:
~ Superfamily Copromorphoidea — Fruitworm Moths
  Hampson, 1918
~ Copromorphoidea was formerly named Carposinoidea; a name that is still
sometimes used as a synonym.

Animal Diversity Web
https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fanimaldiversity.org%2Faccounts%2FCopromorphoidea%2Fclassification%2F%23Copromorphoidea&data=05%7C02%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7C1223e5840e5b487b0afa08dcb03d0a91%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638579024304125185%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ETlN34zZhINb%2FZn%2FP66fCSmqQJdCTyn2O7dS%2FZVbT24%3D&reserved=0
~ Superfamily Copromorphoidea
  Family Carposinidae
  Family Copromorphidae

biodiversity.org.au
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~ Superfamily COPROMORPHOIDEA
 [No name found matching Carposinoidea.]

Wikimedia Commons
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~ Category:Copromorphoidea
~ Authority file [section includes the following:]
  Wikidata Q902490
  NCBI taxonomy ID: 104437
  ITIS TSN: 693935
  Encyclopedia of Life ID: 786
  GBIF taxon ID: 1828
  Fauna Europaea ID: 5560
  BugGuide taxon ID: 163984
  iNaturalist taxon ID: 173392

As replied by Dr. Yanega and others, I think the superfamily name should be
Carposinoidea, not Copromorphoidea, but there still are some major sites
that accept the name Copromorphoidea.
Together with some notes in Wikipedia, I found a case where the superfamily
name is Carposinidea, while the family name under Carposinoidea is
Copromorphidae and included all the species of Carposinidae under
Copromorphidae.

My understanding is that the superfamily name is Carposinoidea, the family
names are either "Copromorphidae and Carposinidae", or, if the two families
are combined, "Carposinidae." Am I wrong? Or are we not following the ICZN
anymore?

Sincerely,

2024년 7월 26일 (금) 오후 11:46, Douglas Yanega via Taxacom <taxacom at lists.ku.edu>님이
작성:

> On 7/25/24 5:42 PM, Soowon Cho via Taxacom wrote:
> > Well, back to my original question, do you agree that the family name
> > Copromorphidae (including all the carposinid species) is under the
> > superfamily name Carposinoidea? What about vice versa?
>
> That is a nomenclatural question, not a taxonomic question.
>
> If the sources I have found are correct, then we have:
>
> Copromorphidae Meyrick, 1905
>
> Carposinidae Walsingham, 1897
>
> The latter has nomenclatural precedence in that case, so if these two
> families are placed in the same superfamily (and there are no other
> names competing), then the name of that superfamily is Carposinoidea
> Walsingham, 1897.
>
> I will note that for some reason, various sources cite the superfamily
> and family names as having different authors and dates, but under the
> ICZN this is literally impossible.
>
> That is, "Copromorphidae" is attributed to Meyrick, 1905 while
> "Copromorphoidea" is attributed to Hampson, 1918. The "Principle of
> Coordination", defined in Article 36 of the Code, means that ANY name
> proposed at any of the three Code-defined ranks (family-rank,
> genus-rank, and species-rank) are considered to have been proposed at
> *all sub-ranks* simultaneously. A name proposed for a tribe is, under
> the Code, also being *effectively* proposed as a subfamily, family, and
> superfamily name, and will have priority over any name proposed
> originally AS a higher rank but published later. It is irrelevant if
> Hampson was the first person to TREAT the group as a superfamily,
> because Meyrick was the first to publish an available name FOR that
> superfamily.
>
> Under the Code, these are very different things. One act is taxonomic
> (treating a group as a certain rank above genus), the other act is
> nomenclatural (proposing a name for a rank higher than genus).
>
> SIncerely,
>
> --
> Doug Yanega      Dept. of Entomology       Entomology Research Museum
> Univ. of California, Riverside, CA 92521-0314     skype: dyanega
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Soowon Cho
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Dept Plant Medicine
Chungbuk Nat'l Univ
Cheongju, 361-763
KOREA