Taxacom: Taxacom| Genus name question

Fri Jan 21 23:02:43 CST 2022

My appreciation to Scott, Stephen, and everyone else who provided input on
this question. I feel a lot happier that there was pretty much consensus,
or almost so, for accepting Magnificus as valid. Very glad that there is no
imperative to change it. Sometimes tability is a good thing.

Cheers, John

On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 4:38 PM Scott Thomson <scott.thomson321 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Yes I agree with Stephen here, treated as a noun does not have to be one,
> I am no fan of destroying names over some poor grammar, if everything else
> is fine with the name it should not matter it's usable.
>
> Cheers Scott
>
> On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 6:32 PM Stephen Thorpe via Taxacom <
> taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
>
>>
>> 11.8. Genus-group names
>>
>> A genus-group name (see also Article 10.3) must be a word of two or more
>> letters and must be, or be treated as, a noun in the nominative singular.
>> TREATED AS
>>     On Saturday, 22 January 2022, 10:11:11 am NZDT, John Grehan via
>> Taxacom <taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
>>
>>  I would be interested to have input on judging the validity of the name
>> 'Magnificus' which was proposed by a Chinese worker back in 2000 for a
>> genus of Hepialidae. The author made no reference to the basis of the name
>> (although the moths are quite nice looking and so perhaps it is an
>> allusion
>> to this aspect).
>>
>> Under current rules, is the name valid? I had a colleague make the
>> following comments:
>>
>> "The problem seems to centre on the use by taxonomists of eighteenth
>> century "modern" Latin, as used for learned discourse, all a bit mixed up
>> with medieval liturgical Latin from the Roman church.
>>
>> In these branches of Latin it seems likely that as in classical Latin,
>> magnficus is not a noun.
>>
>> So I can see two "legal" positions, from the ICZN point of view.
>>
>> Generic names must be nouns. Magnificus is not by any stretch of
>> imagination a noun. As a generic name it is therefore invalid.
>> Magnificus has appeared in the lit as a generic name. As generic names are
>> nouns, this act has by definition converted Magnificus into a noun for
>> taxonomic usages.
>>
>> If this ([2]) sounds a bit stretched, consider that many generic names are
>> purely artificial. They were not nouns or anything until they appeared in
>> the biological literature. So I could make up a name like Rumblustumblus
>> (Rumble us, tumble us). It's hard to maintain that it's not a generic
>> name:
>> for biological purposes it's now a noun!
>>
>> The literature is full of prank names, most of them of course specific.
>> In
>> fact various kinds of pranking go all the way back to Linnaeus)."
>>
>> I hope (wish) to get sufficient clarity to determine if it is absolutely
>> necessary to replace the Magnificus' name or not.
>>
>> Also, why was the rule made that the original word used for a genus have
>> to
>> be a noun? In that respect there is a  name 'Viridigigas" but neither
>> green
>> or giant are nouns as such. But what do I know?
>>
>> John Grehan
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