Taxacom: Taxacom| Genus name question
Stephen Thorpe
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Fri Jan 21 16:13:05 CST 2022
Or treated as one! Read the Code!
On Saturday, 22 January 2022, 10:59:18 am NZDT, John Bruner <jbruner at ualberta.ca> wrote:
I am afraid I disagree with my better, Douglas Yanega. The generic name must be a Latinized nominative singular noun.
On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 2:51 PM John Bruner <jbruner at ualberta.ca> wrote:
Dear John Grehan:
I agree with Scott. I would accept Magnificus. It is a nominative singular noun. Fourth declension or u-nouns end with -us, or if neuter, -ua in the nominative, and -uum in the genitive plural.
On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 2:39 PM Scott Thomson via Taxacom <taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
Yes I agree with Stephen here, treated as a noun does not have to be one, I
am no fan of destroying names over some poor grammar, if everything else is
fine with the name it should not matter it's usable.
Cheers Scott
On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 6:32 PM Stephen Thorpe via Taxacom <
taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
>
> 11.8. Genus-group names
>
> A genus-group name (see also Article 10.3) must be a word of two or more
> letters and must be, or be treated as, a noun in the nominative singular.
> TREATED AS
> On Saturday, 22 January 2022, 10:11:11 am NZDT, John Grehan via
> Taxacom <taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
>
> I would be interested to have input on judging the validity of the name
> 'Magnificus' which was proposed by a Chinese worker back in 2000 for a
> genus of Hepialidae. The author made no reference to the basis of the name
> (although the moths are quite nice looking and so perhaps it is an allusion
> to this aspect).
>
> Under current rules, is the name valid? I had a colleague make the
> following comments:
>
> "The problem seems to centre on the use by taxonomists of eighteenth
> century "modern" Latin, as used for learned discourse, all a bit mixed up
> with medieval liturgical Latin from the Roman church.
>
> In these branches of Latin it seems likely that as in classical Latin,
> magnficus is not a noun.
>
> So I can see two "legal" positions, from the ICZN point of view.
>
> Generic names must be nouns. Magnificus is not by any stretch of
> imagination a noun. As a generic name it is therefore invalid.
> Magnificus has appeared in the lit as a generic name. As generic names are
> nouns, this act has by definition converted Magnificus into a noun for
> taxonomic usages.
>
> If this ([2]) sounds a bit stretched, consider that many generic names are
> purely artificial. They were not nouns or anything until they appeared in
> the biological literature. So I could make up a name like Rumblustumblus
> (Rumble us, tumble us). It's hard to maintain that it's not a generic name:
> for biological purposes it's now a noun!
>
> The literature is full of prank names, most of them of course specific. In
> fact various kinds of pranking go all the way back to Linnaeus)."
>
> I hope (wish) to get sufficient clarity to determine if it is absolutely
> necessary to replace the Magnificus' name or not.
>
> Also, why was the rule made that the original word used for a genus have to
> be a noun? In that respect there is a name 'Viridigigas" but neither green
> or giant are nouns as such. But what do I know?
>
> John Grehan
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