Taxacom: Taxacom| Genus name question

Fri Jan 21 23:24:34 CST 2022

Amending my initial comment - after going over all the commentary in more
detail I realize that there was indeed consensus about the validity of
Magnificus. Disagreements were over associated issues. After having already
published a revision of Magnificus I am very happy that there is no need to
change the name!

John

On Sat, Jan 22, 2022 at 12:02 AM John Grehan <calabar.john at gmail.com> wrote:

> My appreciation to Scott, Stephen, and everyone else who provided input on
> this question. I feel a lot happier that there was pretty much consensus,
> or almost so, for accepting Magnificus as valid. Very glad that there is no
> imperative to change it. Sometimes tability is a good thing.
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 4:38 PM Scott Thomson <scott.thomson321 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Yes I agree with Stephen here, treated as a noun does not have to be one,
>> I am no fan of destroying names over some poor grammar, if everything else
>> is fine with the name it should not matter it's usable.
>>
>> Cheers Scott
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 6:32 PM Stephen Thorpe via Taxacom <
>> taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> 11.8. Genus-group names
>>>
>>> A genus-group name (see also Article 10.3) must be a word of two or more
>>> letters and must be, or be treated as, a noun in the nominative singular.
>>> TREATED AS
>>>     On Saturday, 22 January 2022, 10:11:11 am NZDT, John Grehan via
>>> Taxacom <taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>  I would be interested to have input on judging the validity of the name
>>> 'Magnificus' which was proposed by a Chinese worker back in 2000 for a
>>> genus of Hepialidae. The author made no reference to the basis of the
>>> name
>>> (although the moths are quite nice looking and so perhaps it is an
>>> allusion
>>> to this aspect).
>>>
>>> Under current rules, is the name valid? I had a colleague make the
>>> following comments:
>>>
>>> "The problem seems to centre on the use by taxonomists of eighteenth
>>> century "modern" Latin, as used for learned discourse, all a bit mixed up
>>> with medieval liturgical Latin from the Roman church.
>>>
>>> In these branches of Latin it seems likely that as in classical Latin,
>>> magnficus is not a noun.
>>>
>>> So I can see two "legal" positions, from the ICZN point of view.
>>>
>>> Generic names must be nouns. Magnificus is not by any stretch of
>>> imagination a noun. As a generic name it is therefore invalid.
>>> Magnificus has appeared in the lit as a generic name. As generic names
>>> are
>>> nouns, this act has by definition converted Magnificus into a noun for
>>> taxonomic usages.
>>>
>>> If this ([2]) sounds a bit stretched, consider that many generic names
>>> are
>>> purely artificial. They were not nouns or anything until they appeared in
>>> the biological literature. So I could make up a name like Rumblustumblus
>>> (Rumble us, tumble us). It's hard to maintain that it's not a generic
>>> name:
>>> for biological purposes it's now a noun!
>>>
>>> The literature is full of prank names, most of them of course specific.
>>> In
>>> fact various kinds of pranking go all the way back to Linnaeus)."
>>>
>>> I hope (wish) to get sufficient clarity to determine if it is absolutely
>>> necessary to replace the Magnificus' name or not.
>>>
>>> Also, why was the rule made that the original word used for a genus have
>>> to
>>> be a noun? In that respect there is a  name 'Viridigigas" but neither
>>> green
>>> or giant are nouns as such. But what do I know?
>>>
>>> John Grehan
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