Taxacom: Taxacom| Genus name question

Fri Jan 21 15:59:05 CST 2022

I am afraid I disagree with my better, Douglas Yanega. The generic name
must be a Latinized nominative singular noun.

On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 2:51 PM John Bruner <jbruner at ualberta.ca> wrote:

> Dear John Grehan:
>
>      I agree with Scott. I would accept *Magnificus. *It is a nominative
> singular noun. *Fourth declension *or u-nouns end with
> -*us*, or if neuter, *-ua* in the nominative, and *-uum* in the genitive
> plural.
>
> On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 2:39 PM Scott Thomson via Taxacom <
> taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
>
>> Yes I agree with Stephen here, treated as a noun does not have to be one,
>> I
>> am no fan of destroying names over some poor grammar, if everything else
>> is
>> fine with the name it should not matter it's usable.
>>
>> Cheers Scott
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 6:32 PM Stephen Thorpe via Taxacom <
>> taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > 11.8. Genus-group names
>> >
>> > A genus-group name (see also Article 10.3) must be a word of two or more
>> > letters and must be, or be treated as, a noun in the nominative
>> singular.
>> > TREATED AS
>> >     On Saturday, 22 January 2022, 10:11:11 am NZDT, John Grehan via
>> > Taxacom <taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
>> >
>> >  I would be interested to have input on judging the validity of the name
>> > 'Magnificus' which was proposed by a Chinese worker back in 2000 for a
>> > genus of Hepialidae. The author made no reference to the basis of the
>> name
>> > (although the moths are quite nice looking and so perhaps it is an
>> allusion
>> > to this aspect).
>> >
>> > Under current rules, is the name valid? I had a colleague make the
>> > following comments:
>> >
>> > "The problem seems to centre on the use by taxonomists of eighteenth
>> > century "modern" Latin, as used for learned discourse, all a bit mixed
>> up
>> > with medieval liturgical Latin from the Roman church.
>> >
>> > In these branches of Latin it seems likely that as in classical Latin,
>> > magnficus is not a noun.
>> >
>> > So I can see two "legal" positions, from the ICZN point of view.
>> >
>> > Generic names must be nouns. Magnificus is not by any stretch of
>> > imagination a noun. As a generic name it is therefore invalid.
>> > Magnificus has appeared in the lit as a generic name. As generic names
>> are
>> > nouns, this act has by definition converted Magnificus into a noun for
>> > taxonomic usages.
>> >
>> > If this ([2]) sounds a bit stretched, consider that many generic names
>> are
>> > purely artificial. They were not nouns or anything until they appeared
>> in
>> > the biological literature. So I could make up a name like Rumblustumblus
>> > (Rumble us, tumble us). It's hard to maintain that it's not a generic
>> name:
>> > for biological purposes it's now a noun!
>> >
>> > The literature is full of prank names, most of them of course
>> specific.  In
>> > fact various kinds of pranking go all the way back to Linnaeus)."
>> >
>> > I hope (wish) to get sufficient clarity to determine if it is absolutely
>> > necessary to replace the Magnificus' name or not.
>> >
>> > Also, why was the rule made that the original word used for a genus
>> have to
>> > be a noun? In that respect there is a  name 'Viridigigas" but neither
>> green
>> > or giant are nouns as such. But what do I know?
>> >
>> > John Grehan
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