Taxacom: Correct spelling / history of a fossil fish name: Astrolepis/Asterolepis Eichwald, 1840

Thu May 2 17:38:27 CDT 2024

Hi Francisco, I was just looking in BHL concurrently with you and found
them there, but you beat me to it!

Per the van der Lann, 2018 paper it seems that the "Astero-" spellings are
in prevailing usage and thus could possibly be considered corrected
original spellings (or not...)

This paper

Asterolepis alticristata n. sp. (Antiarchi) from the Upper Devonian
(Frasnian) of Nunavut, Canada, and a report on the antiarch diversity of
the Fram Formation
Jason P. Downs, Edward B. Daeschler, Nathanael Lo, Emily N. Carey, Neil H.
Shubin
Geodiversitas, 41(1):679-698 (2019).
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apparently contains some discussion of the prior usage of this name, but
unfortunately I cannot access it, maybe others can and report what it
contains?

Thanks - Tony

Tony Rees, New South Wales, Australia
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On Fri, 3 May 2024 at 08:33, Francisco Welter-Schultes via Taxacom <
taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:

> Okay, I found them.
>
> The correct original spelling of the generic name was Astrolepis
> Eichwald, 1840 (Bulletin Scientifique, 23 Apr 1840).
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> The name was made available there. Proposed with brief diagnosis,
> without nominal species included.
> As far as I can see, the name is not preoccupied.
>
> Asterolepis Eichwald, 1840 (Neues Jahrbuch, after May 1840)
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> was an incorrect subsequent spelling of Astrolepis.
>
> In Neues Jahrbuch the name was clearly used for the same taxon, placoid
> fish with star-shaped scales.
>
> Type A. ornata by subsequent monotypy by Eichwald, 1840 (Neues Jahrbuch:
> p. 425).
>
> So any spellings using Astero-... are incorrect.
>
> If this helps.
>
> Best wishes
> Francisco
>
> Am 02.05.2024 um 22:40 schrieb Francisco Welter-Schultes via Taxacom:
> > Dear Tony,
> > as always, I would need the links to the original publications.
> >
> > Best wishes
> > Francisco
> >
> > Am 02.05.2024 um 22:23 schrieb Tony Rees via Taxacom:
> >> Hi Taxacomers,
> >>
> >> I am trying to determine the history, and correct spelling, of the genus
> >> name Astrolepis/Asterolepis Eichwald, 1840, for which Neave has the
> >> following 2 records:
> >>
> >> Astrolepis Eichwald 1840 Bull. Acad. St. Pétersb., 7, 79. Pisces (See
> >> Chelonichthys Agassiz 1844.)
> >>
> >> Asterolepis Eichwald 1840 N. Jahrb. f. Min., 1840, 425. Pisces (err. pro
> >> Astrolepis Eichwald 1840) (nec Astrolepas Gray 1825 see Chelonichthys
> >> Agassiz 1840)
> >>
> >> My first question is., are these the same taxon? in which case the "see
> >> Chelonichthys Agassiz 1840" is a little confusing.
> >>
> >> My second is, which name is correct (aka in current use): for example
> >> Murphy
> >> et al., 1976, "Astrolepis sp. from the Upper Devonian of central Nevada"
> >> use Astrolepis without further comment; Downs et al., 2019 "Asterolepis
> >> alticristata n. sp.(Antiarchi) from the Upper Devonian (Frasnian) of
> >> Nunavut, Canada, and a report on the antiarch diversity of the Fram
> >> Formation" and most recent authors use Asterolepis (this paper has some
> >> discussion regarding the history of the name, however unfortunately I
> >> cannot access a full copy of the text).
> >>
> >> Third under a few scenarios - if  Bull. Acad. St. Pétersb., 7, 1840
> >> appeared earlier than N. Jahrb. f. Min., 1840, then either (a)
> Astrolepis
> >> could be an original incorrect spelling, Asterolepis a corrected
> original
> >> one, with the original publication information maintained, (b)
> Astrolepis
> >> could be unavailable for some reason, making Asterolepis the correct
> >> spelling with the publication details N. Jahrb. f. Min., 1840; or (c)
> >> something else I have not thought of...
> >>
> >> Comments, further advice most welcome!
> >>
> >> For the record, the genus in its most frequently encountered current
> >> spelling "Asterolepis" is the type of the family Asterolepididae which
> >> appears to be attributable to Traquair, 1888.
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance - Tony
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Tony Rees, New South Wales, Australia
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> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will, To strive, to seek, to
> find, and not to yield. Tennyson, Ulysses.
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