Taxacom: The practice of Zoologica Scripta

Fri Feb 9 21:35:29 CST 2024

Stephen's comment that " However, the ICZN and the taxonomic community as a
whole seems to be entirely incapable of achieving a sensible view on this,
so it will no doubt remain messy for the foreseeable future" implies that
it should be capable. Trouble is, what is a 'sensible view' of anything is
quite elusive, especially when dealing with non-totalitarian organizations
or contexts. Only under totalitarian rule do things not remain messy -
because one is either right (alive) or wrong (dead). That's how it's always
been in human history.

Cheers, John

On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 9:32 PM Stephen Thorpe via Taxacom <
taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:

>  There is no "debate". Nomenclature relegated to supplementary MSWord
> files is *not* code compliant in zoology. The only debate is whether or not
> the code needs to be adhered to so strictly, or whether these names can be
> used as perfectly good names for taxa, even if they fail code compliance on
> a technicality. My own view is that it is preferable to use a name that
> fails code compliance on a technicality rather than use no name at all.
> Probably also not worth renaming these taxa to gain code compliance, but,
> if they are renamed, the same epithet should be used for stability.
> However, the ICZN and the taxonomic community as a whole seems to be
> entirely incapable of achieving a sensible view on this, so it will no
> doubt remain messy for the foreseeable future.
> Stephen
>     On Saturday, 10 February 2024 at 11:46:49 am NZDT, Geoff Read via
> Taxacom <taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
>
>  Posting from my private email.  Sorry about the extra fluff that results
> from using my workplace email.
>
> Okay.
>
> It is https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdoi.org%2F10.1111%2Fzsc.12651&data=05%7C02%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7Cfeaa4e0a45d04b13d8ff08dc29e96abe%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638431329699378698%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=XdGMJmoXt%2FTxuvbDyiEYi%2FG5S4CWeBup6UE1XUvlsWg%3D&reserved=0
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> an article on Capitella bristleworms mainly molecularly distinguished, &
> open access.  However, the same treatment will have been done to all the
> 'early view' articles with new taxa
>
> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fonlinelibrary.wiley.com%2Ftoc%2F14636409%2F0%2F0&data=05%7C02%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7Cfeaa4e0a45d04b13d8ff08dc29e96abe%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638431329699378698%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=sduqgcpmHsKP4u%2Ff1V%2BKJ9mFpl%2BGR0sYV7AIENPKG%2FI%3D&reserved=0
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> The 'disclaimer' is here:
>
> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fonlinelibrary.wiley.com%2Fpage%2Fjournal%2F14636409%2Fhomepage%2Fproductinformation.html&data=05%7C02%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7Cfeaa4e0a45d04b13d8ff08dc29e96abe%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638431329699534799%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=5fxLKGopglUahFHwhW3YUdJjOShK02IJxIM9zsP8OyU%3D&reserved=0
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> I would be very reluctant to treat the names as unavailable.  The 'work'
> is all the files, not just the pdf.
>
> Geoff
> --
> Geoffrey B. Read, Ph.D.
> Wellington, NEW ZEALAND
> gread at actrix.gen.nz
>
>
>
> >---- Original Message ----
> >From: "Frank T. Krell via Taxacom" <taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
> >To: "Geoff Read" <Geoffrey.Read at niwa.co.nz>, "taxacom at lists.ku.edu" <
> taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
> >Sent: Sat, Feb 10, 2024, 11:25 AM
> >Subject: Re: Taxacom: The practice of Zoologica Scripta
> >
> >Could you provide the title/link to the paper. The availability of the
> names depends on what is included in the pdf/A, i.e.. in the immutable part
> of the paper. If components required for availability are only in the Word
> document, the names will not be available.
> >Putting taxonomy into electronic supplements gives a clear message that
> taxomony is second class science and not worth to be in the main journal.
> Zoological Scripta was always very "progressive" in terms of Code
> requirements, e.g., by admitting uninominal names for species, for example,
> following the then version of the Phylocode.
> >I guess taxonomy should not be published in Zoological Scripta. What a
> shame. Well, I would like to see the paper first before I draw conclusions.
>
>
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