Taxacom: hominid construction evidence

[John Grehan]

Good point about the fire - if made fire it's only a short step to hardened
spear points (not to overstate the point :)

On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 3:42 PM Kenneth Kinman <kinman at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>        Many biologists who classify Homo sapiens heidelbergensis as a
> subspecies (not a separate species) would say that Homo sapiens had been
> around a long time before this evidence of working wood.  Not really a
> surprising find, since early humans were using fire (which could be
> regarded as another example of working wood) by that time:
> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.smithsonianmag.com%2Fsmart-news%2Fevidence-of--fire-artificial-intelligence-180980319%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7C3bdba4943bc84811387608dbbaf66503%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638309339645752313%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=7babTeJT4rtop1Ye6M8W8nphl82Ox5dQHXaxtclttvc%3D&reserved=0
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> *Sent:* Thursday, September 21, 2023 12:37 PM
> *To:* Jared Bernard <bernardj at hawaii.edu>
> *Cc:* taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: Taxacom: hominid construction evidence
>
> Note that it states "Whatever it was, it pre-dates the evolution of
> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nature.com%2Farticles%2Fd41586-023-01664-z&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7C3bdba4943bc84811387608dbbaf66503%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638309339645752313%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=di%2BV378Ht4o1im4QLKMg0QTe%2FHv1lTxnmLgRrdL4yDs%3D&reserved=0>*Homo sapiens*
> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nature.com%2Farticles%2Fd41586-023-01664-z&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7C3bdba4943bc84811387608dbbaf66503%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638309339645752313%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=di%2BV378Ht4o1im4QLKMg0QTe%2FHv1lTxnmLgRrdL4yDs%3D&reserved=0> by more than 100,000
> years, hinting that hominins that lived long before our own species were
> already working wood." Wrong! It only predates the oldest fossil ascribed
> to H. sapiens. Classic case of obfuscating reality with fantasy.
>
> On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 1:15 PM Jared Bernard <bernardj at hawaii.edu> wrote:
>
> > And here's the link to the Nature Briefing news summary:
> >
> >
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