Taxacom: Clarification RE e-publication (zoology) - new name has ZooBank LSID (or doesn't), publication does

Sun Mar 26 17:56:33 CDT 2023

>>> EITHER the new name, or the new work, display its assigned ZooBank identifier right there in the publication in order for the name to be available from that work/ date.

Both will be fully acceptable as evident from the several Examples given after Art. 8.5.3:
"Examples. Evidence of registration is given by stating information that would be known only if the registration has occurred, such as the exact date of registration or the registration number assigned to the work or to a new name or nomenclatural act introduced in the work".

/Thomas

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Subject: Re: Taxacom: Clarification RE e-publication (zoology) - new name has ZooBank LSID (or doesn't), publication does

Hi Rich, I "get" the logic you are describing, but still think it could have been implemented in a different way, e.g. requiring (in its most basic
way) that EITHER the new name, or the new work, display its assigned ZooBank identifier right there in the publication in order for the name to be available from that work/ date. But others more adept than me have no doubt been down this path and decided that would be too onerous, for whatever reason :)

Best - Tony

On Mon, 27 Mar 2023, 6:39 am Richard Pyle, <deepreef at bishopmuseum.org>
wrote:

> Hi Tony,
>
>
>
> The logic is actually rather simple (even if flawed in some ways):
>
>
>
> Before a work can be considered “published” in electronic form, that 
> publication must be registered in ZooBank (there are reasons for this, 
> which I can go into if you want).  This presents a problem: When I’m 
> reading an electronic work (PDF), how do I know whether it was 
> registered prior to publication?  The intention was that the work 
> itself would provide you the answer, but including evidence that 
> registration had taken place prior to publication.  Such evidence is 
> typically interpreted as including an LSID for the work itself, or the 
> exact date when a work was registered, or an LSID for a name within 
> the publication (which is impossible to obtain without first registering the work).
>
>
>
> Thus, coming back to my earlier email, the rules are actually pretty
> simple:
>
> 1) The work must be registered in ZooBank prior to it being published;
>
> 2) Evidence of registration must be included within the work itself.
>
>
>
> There are a couple of other rules, including that the work itself must 
> contain a date of publication, and the ZooBank record must indicate an 
> ISSN and an intended online archive.  These are all pretty meaningless 
> rules because there is nothing that says that the date needs to be 
> correct, or that the ISSN needs to be correct, or that the work 
> actually be deposite din an online archive (only the intention of such 
> must be indicated in ZooBank).
>
>
>
> When the Amendment was written, I opposed the “evidence” requirement, 
> and advocated for the model that registration is necessary, but could 
> happen after publication.  Basically, my preferred approach is: “A 
> work is published [and names contained therein are available] when all 
> the criteria have been met.”  It shouldn’t matter what sequence the 
> requirements are fulfilled, and thus there shouldn’t be a need for 
> “evidence” that registration occurred before formatting/dissemination/etc.
>
>
>
> So I agree with you that some of the reasoning and logic is flawed, 
> and there are certainly some ambiguities for how to interpret the 
> rules.  But it’s reasonably straightforward, and has kinda/sorta 
> worked for the last ten years (at least, it’s worked better than I had expected it to).
> However, we’ve learned a lot this past decade about how to improve it, 
> and those ideas will be incorporated into the draft Code-5, which will 
> be open to public review for at least a year.
>
>
>
> Aloha,
>
> Rich
>
>
>
> Richard L. Pyle, PhD
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> *Subject:* Re: Taxacom: Clarification RE e-publication (zoology) - new 
> name has ZooBank LSID (or doesn't), publication does not
>
>
>
> The problem for me is that the e-publish requirements for 
> availability, to a new user, do not really appear logical at first 
> encounter. In other
> words: to be available prior to print publication, the name needs to 
> be accompanied (in its e-published form) by its registered ZooBank LSID.
> Except that it doesn't (that is in fact not a requirement). Also, the 
> work needs to be accompanied  (in its e-published form) by its 
> registered ZooBank LSID. Except that it doesn't (again, not a 
> requirement: this can be inferred, and the work may be invisible via 
> the ZooBank interface anyway, except to the person/s who entered it). 
> Hence the confusion, for me, and possibly others.
>
>
>
> I'm sure there are good reasons for the above which were debated 
> exhaustively prior to deciding on the form of the system and the 
> wording to be incorporated in the Code, however that does not make the 
> result any more clear to the novice, or even semi experienced user. I 
> think if you were to ask ten taxonomists, or users of taxonomic data, 
> to explain their understanding of the requirements for e-publication 
> without (or even with) reference to the Code, you would find a 
> majority that could not explain it correctly. Or maybe I am in a minority of 1 here.
>
>
>
> If I am barking up the wrong tree here, please feel free to ignore 
> this comment!
>
>
>
> Regards - Tony
>
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