Taxacom: Clarification RE e-publication (zoology) - new name has ZooBank LSID (or doesn't), publication does not

Sat Mar 25 17:04:23 CDT 2023

Stephen is correct (see my long-winded reply, which says essentially the same thing Stephen said much more succinctly).

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Rich

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at lists.ku.edu> On Behalf Of Tony Rees via
> Taxacom
> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2023 11:35 AM
> To: Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
> Cc: taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> Subject: Re: Taxacom: Clarification RE e-publication (zoology) - new name has
> ZooBank LSID (or doesn't), publication does not
> 
> OK, thanks thus far, so my initial premise was wrong: the work itself does not
> need to display a ZooBank LSID in the electronic version (or such be embedded
> somewhere e.g. as part of a hyperlink), so long as at least one of the included
> new taxa does. Presuming that to be correct (unless of course I am mistaken
> once more), that is not very clear from the Code online :)
> 
> But others may have a different view,
> 
> Regards and thanks - Tony
> 
> 
> On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 at 07:54, Stephen Thorpe
> <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
> wrote:
> 
> > Tony,
> >
> > The ICZN requirements for valid e-only publication are preregistration
> > on ZooBank plus some evidence of this preregistration in the work
> > itself (plus date of publication stated in the work itself). The
> > evidence is usually a ZooBank LSID, but it doesn't have to be the LSID
> > for the publication, it can be one or more of the LSIDs for the new taxa therein.
> >
> > My view is that new names which are invalidly published by this
> > technicality should simply have this problem noted but continue to be
> > treated as if validly published, unless "push comes to shove" with
> > rival names that might have been clearly validly published.
> >
> > Cheers, Stephen
> >
> > On Sunday, 26 March 2023 at 08:22:21 am NZDT, Tony Rees via Taxacom <
> > taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > Just checking that my understanding of the requirements for
> > e-publication as per the current ICZN Code is correct...
> >
> > - The Code requires the work in which a new taxon name is proposed to
> > have an associated (and valid) ZooBank LSID stated in the publication
> > itself, but LSIDs for new taxa are optional (although desirable)
> >
> > - Conversely, new names in a work in which a new taxon has an
> > associated visible ZooBank LSID, but the work itself does not, are not
> > effectively published until the print version appears?
> >
> > As an example of the latter, I have before me the new genus name
> > Yanjisuchus, published by Rummy, Wu, Clark, Zhao, Jin, Shibata, Jin &
> > Xu in the journal Cretaceous Research, 129, Jan 2022: 1-23. The new
> > genus does not have a ZooBank LSID stated, although its sole included
> > species, Yanjisuchus longshanensis, does: urn:lsid:zoobank.org:act:
> > C0F36066-D6AD-4FA7-A8C9-1DA81D424459 (currently "held but not publicly
> > visible" in ZooBank). The journal volume that includes the paper is
> > dated 2022, but the work appeared online in 2021 (2 September),
> > however does not appear to have any registered ZooBank LSID (unless I
> > have missed it of course).
> >
> > From the above I conclude that both the genus (with no ZooBank
> > registration) and the species (with ZooBank registration) must be
> > considered as published in 2022 for nomenclatural purposes, not 2021;
> > if, however, the work itself bore a ZooBank LSID then both the new
> > genus and the new species would bear the publication date 2021, even
> > though only one of the new taxa (the species but not the new genus)
> > was registered in ZooBank at the time...
> >
> > Just seeking some confirmation from others more expert than myself in
> > this area that this conclusion is correct!
> >
> > Regards - Tony
> > Tony Rees, New South Wales, Australia
> >
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