Taxacom: Policing the scientific lexicon: The new colonialism?
Frank T. Krell
Frank.Krell at dmns.org
Fri Jun 16 10:23:45 CDT 2023
It is correct that the slime mold beetle naming was meant an honor. And it was perceived as an honor. President Bush expressed his gratitude in a telephone call to the author.
If this was the first time that this president was exposed to taxonomy, or has heard of it, the naming fulfilled its purpose.
Frank
Dr. Frank-Thorsten Krell
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From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at lists.ku.edu> On Behalf Of Stephen Thorpe via Taxacom
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Subject: Re: Taxacom: Policing the scientific lexicon: The new colonialism?
Mike,Yes, now that I remember more clearly, I think it was just me who thought that a politician might not take kindly to having a minute slime mold inhabiting beetle named after them! Still, it could be worse: to all smut taxonomists out there, I do not wish be honoured, thanks anyway!!Stephen
On Friday, 16 June 2023 at 09:25:01 pm NZST, Pavel Gol'din via Taxacom <taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
Dear colleagues,
I fully agree and share the view that the context of naming matters, the circumstances and timing. This is both about the eponym and the researcher, and this is the researcher's gesture and responsibility. Naming a plant after a Russian botanist in 1991 is not the same as in 2023; naming a plant after a Russian botanist - colonel of secret intelligence is not the same as after a Russian botanist murdered in GULAG. Also, naming an organism when someone is sitting in a cosy armchair is not the same as sitting in a shelter under an air raid attack in Ukraine, as I am doing now.
It is not true to say that taxonomy is above societal life or so named politics. Also, civil aviation was expected to be above politics until they started to down civil planes with missiles. Check your privileges, guys.
Finally, as you may know, taxonomy as onomastics is not restricted to science. Naming as an act is not a science. This is an art and it follows the logic of art. No way to avoid it.
Pavel
On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 5:56 PM David Campbell via Taxacom < taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
> Perhaps more to the point for taxonomy, I doubt that the taxa named
> for Pink Floyd were intended to endorse the political views of each
> band member, but rather reflect either someone liking their music or a
> fancied connection between the taxon and the band. I know of two
> fossil mollusks named after people who later gained some fame for
> their roles on the losing side of the US civil war, but the names were
> given in light of their contributions to science well before the war.
>
> Simplistic categorization of people as bad runs into issues. I do not
> remember the particular name, but encountered reference to a bird
> named after a colonial governor, killed in fighting with locals.
> Sounds rather unpopular currently until you add the detail that the
> locals he was fighting were the local slave traders, whom he was opposing.
>
> Also, one might question whether having a taxon named after one is
> necessarily an honor. I don't know whether Utterback's sense of humor
> was such as to appreciate Utterbackia imbecilis, which results from
> recognition of an older synonym. Linnaeus's anatomical sense of humor
> led to species names such as Venus meretrix, which in turn was split
> into the tautonymous genus Meretrix. One wonders what Deshayes
> thought of Lamarck when he named Meretrix lamarckii, "Lamarck's
> prostitute". Then there are the taxa where the organism itself might
> be less than complimentary. I'm working with a lot of unnamed
> bloodsucking parasitic snails but think that I can do better than to use a list of politicians as namesakes.
>
> On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 2:59 AM Stephen Thorpe via Taxacom <
> taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
>
> > Again, that is a matter of interpretation and opinion. Listen to
> >what Waters actually said to the UN about Ukraine, e.g. search on
> >YouTube for Pink Floyd's Roger Waters Tells The UN Attacks On
> >Ukraine Were "Not Unprovoked" | English News Stephen
> > On Thursday, 15 June 2023 at 06:50:40 pm NZST, Daniel Whitmore <
> >whitmore.daniel at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Roger Waters appears slightly less concerned about human rights in
> >Ukraine, but I guess everyone picks his own human rights battles…
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On 15. Jun 2023, at 08:23, Stephen Thorpe via Taxacom <
> > taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes, indeed! The point though, in case it gets lost, is that there
> > > is
> > nothing wrong with Pink Floyd or Roger Waters, yet some people do
> > claim
> to
> > be offended by their alleged antisemitism, which is in fact based
> > just
> on a
> > human rights criticism of Israel's policies on Palestinians. To my
> > mind, this illustrates that the notion of offensive patronymy is way
> > too subjective to act as a basis for renaming taxa. As I said, one
> > man's
> human
> > rights campaigner is another man's antisemite! Science needs to be
> > above politics. Having said that, patronyms might more sensibly be
> > restricted
> to
> > people actually relevant to the taxon, rather than the taxonomists
> > favourite band!
> > > Stephen On Thursday, 15 June 2023 at 06:12:15 pm NZST, Alfredo
> > Vizzini <alfredo.vizzini at unito.it> wrote:
> > >
> > > .....and what about the spider genus Pinkfloydia.....
> > > Alfredo
> > > Il gio 15 giu 2023, 08:06 Stephen Thorpe via Taxacom <
> > taxacom at lists.ku.edu> ha scritto:
> > >
> > > John,I think the list server may have formatted my reply to you
> > >badly,
> > so I'll try again. You say
> > > Yeah - best to keep examples taxonomic. I never knew that there
> > > was a
> > singular 'The' Jewish Lobby. Never knew that they all thought alike
> > > My example was taxonomic. Accusations of antisemitism against
> > > Waters
> > relate specifically to Pink Floyd's 1979 concept album "The Wall",
> > so
> those
> > two pinkfloydi patronyms are likely to be in the offensive category
> > according to some people who misunderstand that the album was
> > satirising fascism. Some lyrics from the album:
> > > That one looks Jewish and that one's a coon, who let all this
> > > riff-raff
> > into the room, there's one smoking a joint and another with spots,
> > if I
> had
> > my way I'd have all of them shot!
> > > There is a specific entity called the Israel Lobby, to which I was
> > referring. You can look it up on Wikipedia.
> > > Anyway, the point is that there is always going to be passionate
> > > debate
> > and irresolvable disagreement over what names are offensive and why.
> > Do
> we
> > really want this political debate to destabilise nomenclature?
> > > Stephen
> > > On Thursday, 15 June 2023 at 05:46:54 pm NZST, Stephen Thorpe
> > >via
> > Taxacom <taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > > Israel lobby in the United States - Wikipedia
> > >
> > >
> > > |
> > > |
> > > |
> > > | | |
> > >
> > > |
> > >
> > > |
> > > |
> > > | |
> > > Israel lobby in the United States - Wikipedia
> > >
> > > The Israel lobby, also known as the Zionist lobby, are individuals
> > > and
> > groups seeking to influence the United St...
> > > |
> > >
> > > |
> > >
> > > |
> > >
> > > My example was taxonomic. Anyone who calls Roger Waters
> > > antisemitic is
> > likely to find pinkfloydi patronyms "offensive".
> > > Stephen
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thursday, 15 June 2023 at 05:05:07 pm NZST, John Grehan <
> > calabar.john at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Yeah - best to keep examples taxonomic. I never knew that there
> > >was a
> > singular 'The' Jewish Lobby. Never knew that they all thought alike.
> > > On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 12:30 AM Pavel Gol'din via Taxacom <
> > taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > > Actually I find offensive your speech rather than names like
> pinkfloydi.
> > I
> > > would be happy if different metaphors will be used in the discussion.
> > >
> > > On behalf of the World Government, Pavel
> > >
> > >> On Thu, 15 Jun 2023, 07:12 Stephen Thorpe via Taxacom, <
> > taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I think that the woke agenda is starting to undermine itself
> > >>now, by going too far and also by blatant weaponisation of terms
> > >>like
> > antisemitism
> > >> for obvious self-interest agendas. I'm not talking directly about
> > taxonomy
> > >> or nomenclature here, but about the broader issue. A current
> > nontaxonomic
> > >> example concerns British musician Roger Waters, who has been
> > >> branded
> as
> > an
> > >> antisemitic nazi by the Israel Lobby. In fact, Waters' father was
> > killed by
> > >> the Nazis when Waters was still a baby. What Waters is doing is
> > criticising
> > >> the human rights policies of Israel in relation to the
> > >> Palestinians, comparing Israel's treatment of Palestinians with
> > >> the Nazis treatment
> of
> > >> the Jews. Anyway, let's just hope that taxonomy can keep out of
> > >> woke politics. It has no place in science. One man's human rights
> > >> advocate
> is
> > >> another man's antisemite. Therefore, many patronymic names will
> > >> be offensive to somebody, but it is best ignored. I'm not sure if
> > >> there
> are
> > >> any patronyms for Roger Waters, but there is Cephalon
> > >> omia pinkfloydi and Synalpheus pinkfloydi, patronymic for Waters'
> > former
> > >> band, Pink Floyd. The Jewish Lobby would probably find these
> > >>names "offensive"!
> > >> Stephen
> > >> On Thursday, 15 June 2023 at 02:43:34 pm NZST, Dilrukshan
> > Wijesinghe
> > >> via Taxacom <taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Policing the scientific lexicon: The new colonialism?
> > >> Rohan Pethiyagoda
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> > >>2010, AustraliaWildlife Heritage Trust, 1 Lake Crescent, Colombo
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> > >> doi.org/10.11646/megataxa.10.1.4
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> > >>
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