Taxacom: systematics bias once again

[John Grehan]

Obviously, and also their press release.

On Fri, Jun 2, 2023 at 3:51 PM Richard Jensen <rjensen at saintmarys.edu>
wrote:

> Gosh, John, the article I found reports that orangutans were included.
> Would that falsify what you said?
> Cheers,
>
> Richard J
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 2, 2023, at 1:25 PM, John Grehan <calabar.john at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 
> Richard,
>
> If you find anything falsifying what I said, by all means let us know.
>
> John
>
> On Thu, Jun 1, 2023 at 8:53 PM Richard Jensen <rjensen at saintmarys.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> John,
>>
>> Other matters aside (children vs. adults), the title of the article
>> doesn't read "...All Other Apes,"  just ...Other Apes."  In that context,
>> there is no bias.  What was the title of the original article and did the
>> authors comment on the missing orangutan?  Could the perceived bias exist
>> only in your mind?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Richard J
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 1, 2023 at 12:52 PM John Grehan via Taxacom <
>> taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> In a recent press release titled "Temptation to Open Pandora's Box Could
>>> Set Us Apart From Other Apes"
>>>
>>> it was stated:
>>>
>>> Compared to apes, human children are more likely to open a mystery 'box'
>>> over one with known contents, a new study finds. This suggests that one
>>> thing that makes us unique as a species might be our innate sense of
>>> curiosity.
>>>
>>> Children "explored the uncertain options before the alternatives were
>>> presented, showing a higher degree of curiosity than the great apes,"
>>> psychologist Alejandro Sánchez-Amaro from the Max Planck Institute for
>>> Evolutionary Anthropology in Germany and cognitive scientist Federico
>>> Rossano from the University of California San Diego write in their
>>> published paper.
>>>
>>> Groups of 15 to 29 captive apes – a mix of chimps, gorillas, and bonobos
>>> –
>>> were tested using opaque and transparent upside-down cups containing
>>> juicy
>>> grape treats.
>>>
>>> There you have the obfuscation. The 'science' result was not about apes,
>>> but just African Great Apes. Never mind the orangutan which is in some
>>> respects smarter than African apes. All that can be said from the science
>>> is that in this experiment, human children are more likely to open a
>>> mystery box than African apes.Otherwise there is not much cognition going
>>> on, on the part of the researchers at least :)
>>>
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>>
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