Taxacom: systematics bias once again

[John Grehan]

Richard,

If you find anything falsifying what I said, by all means let us know.

John

On Thu, Jun 1, 2023 at 8:53 PM Richard Jensen <rjensen at saintmarys.edu>
wrote:

> John,
>
> Other matters aside (children vs. adults), the title of the article
> doesn't read "...All Other Apes,"  just ...Other Apes."  In that context,
> there is no bias.  What was the title of the original article and did the
> authors comment on the missing orangutan?  Could the perceived bias exist
> only in your mind?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Richard J
>
> On Thu, Jun 1, 2023 at 12:52 PM John Grehan via Taxacom <
> taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
>
>> In a recent press release titled "Temptation to Open Pandora's Box Could
>> Set Us Apart From Other Apes"
>>
>> it was stated:
>>
>> Compared to apes, human children are more likely to open a mystery 'box'
>> over one with known contents, a new study finds. This suggests that one
>> thing that makes us unique as a species might be our innate sense of
>> curiosity.
>>
>> Children "explored the uncertain options before the alternatives were
>> presented, showing a higher degree of curiosity than the great apes,"
>> psychologist Alejandro Sánchez-Amaro from the Max Planck Institute for
>> Evolutionary Anthropology in Germany and cognitive scientist Federico
>> Rossano from the University of California San Diego write in their
>> published paper.
>>
>> Groups of 15 to 29 captive apes – a mix of chimps, gorillas, and bonobos –
>> were tested using opaque and transparent upside-down cups containing juicy
>> grape treats.
>>
>> There you have the obfuscation. The 'science' result was not about apes,
>> but just African Great Apes. Never mind the orangutan which is in some
>> respects smarter than African apes. All that can be said from the science
>> is that in this experiment, human children are more likely to open a
>> mystery box than African apes.Otherwise there is not much cognition going
>> on, on the part of the researchers at least :)
>>
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