Taxacom: Definitions

Sun Aug 27 17:16:11 CDT 2023

Juan M. doesn't look for congruent area cladograms, so he's not a typical
vicariance cladist.

On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 9:26 AM David Williams - Botany <
d.m.williams at nhm.ac.uk> wrote:

> I wouldn't try attempt to classify a good number of people for what they
> do, certainly, at this point, not Juan. I'm working my way through his 'El
> Laberinto de la sistematica filogenetica', a worthy contribution as far as
> I can tell at this point.
>
> David
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* John Grehan <calabar.john at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* 27 August 2023 20:06
> *To:* David Williams - Botany <d.m.williams at nhm.ac.uk>
> *Cc:* Michael Heads <m.j.heads at gmail.com>; taxacom <
> taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: Taxacom: Definitions
>
> Hi David,
>
> How would you classify the work of Juan Morrone, who uses tracks, and area
> cladograms, and yet often resorts to centers of origin and chance dispersal
> for explanation?
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Sun, Aug 27, 2023 at 2:21 PM David Williams - Botany <
> d.m.williams at nhm.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> John Grehan raised an interesting question on ‘fraud’ in science relative
> to ‘CODA’ explanations in biogeography (‘Centers of Origin, Dispersal,
> and Adaptation’). I’m not entirely sure ‘fraud’ is the right word, but
> the issues addressed did remind me of a passage from Orwell:
>
>
>
> “At any given moment there is an orthodoxy, a body of ideas which it is
> assumed that all right-thinking people will accept without question. It is
> not exactly forbidden to say this, that or the other, but it is ‘not done’
> to say it, just as in mid-Victorian times it was ‘not done’ to mention
> trousers in the presence of a lady.”
>
>
>
> John later wrote:
>
>
>
> “In some past papers there have been some objections to the validity of
> panbiogeography, even by some vicariance cladists (!) who contrarily also
> claimed that panbiogeography is one of the foundations for the validity of
> vicariance biogeography (figure that one out)”.
>
>
>
> And Michael Heads added:
>
>
>
> “vicariance cladistics (Nelson, Platnick etc.) adopted the idea that
> topologically congruent area cladograms (phylogenies) for different groups
> were evidence for vicariance, incongruence meant chance dispersal. Croizat,
> Robin Craw and myself criticised these analyses in the early 1980s on the
> basis of their a priori areas ('Australia' 'South America' etc.), neglect
> of any geological history apart from continental drift, neglect of
> pre-drift differentiation, assumption of ancestral monomorphism etc”.
>
>
>
> Parts of these two summaries are inaccurate, as least with respect to how
> biogeography developed in certain quarters, but that can be passed over
> (for the moment) as detail. What is of significance is that both parties --
> panbiogeographers, ‘vicariance cladists’, never mind any definitions –
> agreed that ‘CODA’ was found to be faulty, if not entirely false.
>
>
>
> Orwell’s words above are from an unused (suppressed) preface to *Animal
> Farm* (published in 1945). This unused preface addressing “The Freedom of
> the Press” was not actually published until 1972 – perhaps, then,
> suppression is more appropriate.
>
>
> David
>
>
>
>
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> *From:* Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at lists.ku.edu> on behalf of Michael Heads
> via Taxacom <taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
> *Sent:* 27 August 2023 01:52
> *To:* John Grehan <calabar.john at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: Taxacom: Definitions
>
> vicariance cladistics (Nelson, Platnick etc.) adopted the idea that
> topologically congruent area cladograms (phylogenies) for different groups
> were evidence for vicariance, incongruence meant chance dispersal. Croizat,
> Robin Craw and myself criticised these analyses in the early 1980s on the
> basis of their a priori areas ('Australia' 'South America' etc.), neglect
> of any geological history apart from continental drift, neglect of
> pre-drift differentiation, assumption of ancestral monomorphism etc.
>
> On Sun, Aug 27, 2023 at 12:06 PM John Grehan via Taxacom <
> taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
>
> > Hi Richard,
> >
> > No, I Cannot provide an authoritative definition. It used to be simple,
> > with vicariance biogeography, but then some morphing took place to
> > vicariance cladistics. I don't keep up with who does exactly what in
> terms
> > of definitions. I think Morrone may have generated a definition, but I
> > don't have it to hand.
> >
> > Cheers, John
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 26, 2023 at 3:36 PM Richard Jensen <rjensen at saintmarys.edu>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi John,
> > >
> > > In your most recent post, you referred to "vicariance cladists".  Could
> > > you please provide a means for someone to determine if a person is a
> > > vicariance cladist or not?  This may require your definitions of both
> > > terms, as the latter, in particular, has gone through several
> iterations
> > > over the past 40 years or so.  Or, am I permitted to apply my own
> > > definitions to each term? If the latter, then how will I know if we are
> > > writing about the same thing?  It seems the definitions we use are
> > > necessary to prevent a repeat of the "fraud" missives that currently
> > > dominated this list.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Richard
> > >
> > > On Sat, Aug 26, 2023 at 12:46 AM John Grehan via Taxacom <
> > > taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > >> So as not to confuse with other issues, I teased this item out. My
> view
> > >> about definitions not mattering is in the context that definitions
> only
> > >> state what one has already decided or what one thinks one already
> knows.
> > >> Within those constraints definitions may matter, but they are just a
> > >> summary of a certain knowledge or decisions, not a key to the unknown
> > >> which
> > >> is what science is concerned with. For example, if I were to define
> > >> evolution as space + time + form, that may well be very informative to
> > >> some, and not so informative to others. So, dealing with the unknown,
> > the
> > >> ascertainment of new knowledge, definitions really don't matter. But
> of
> > >> course thousands may think otherwise, and that's OK with me too.
> > >>
> > >> Cheers, John
> > >>
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My books:

*Biogeography and evolution in New Zealand. *Taylor and Francis/CRC, Boca
Raton FL. 2017.
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*Biogeography of Australasia:  A molecular analysis*. Cambridge University
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*Molecular panbiogeography of the tropics. *University of California Press,
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*Panbiogeography: Tracking the history of life*. Oxford University Press,
New York. 1999. (With R. Craw and J. Grehan).
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