Taxacom: Science fraud - Nature
John Grehan
calabar.john at gmail.com
Fri Aug 25 15:42:39 CDT 2023
yep
On Fri, Aug 25, 2023 at 3:46 PM Richard Jensen <rjensen at saintmarys.edu>
wrote:
> This coming from someone who once responded to a hot Taxacom topic by
> saying that "definitions don't matter"! Do you still believe that, John?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Richard J
>
> On Fri, Aug 25, 2023 at 3:00 PM John Grehan via Taxacom <
> taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
>
>> Tony - which meaning of plausible? Presume the first, but with multiple
>> meanings possible I thought worth checking with you.
>>
>> 1. Seemingly or apparently valid, likely, or acceptable; credible.
>> 2. Persuasive or ingratiating, especially in an effort to deceive.
>> 3. Worthy of being applauded; praiseworthy; commendable; ready.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 25, 2023 at 2:35 PM Tony Rees <tonyrees49 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > OK John, thanks for the clarification. In any case your proposed
>> "tectonic
>> > correlations" with historic biogeographic events seem perfectly
>> plausible
>> > to me.
>> >
>> > Best - Tony
>> >
>> > Tony Rees, New South Wales, Australia
>> > https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2FTonyRees&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7Cf8b66ebff36d4311a93308dba5abea43%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638285930032712167%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=MP%2FVh0G8GaFl7rtdAduimQ2Go1%2FVocJkwmnw6go3QPc%3D&reserved=0
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 at 02:37, John Grehan via Taxacom <
>> > taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Of course it's a 'rant', just like any other on this list, so no
>> offense.
>> >> Funding - agreed, that is a pertinent issue. For panbiogeography this
>> is
>> >> not only a problem where supporters of suppression and censorship are
>> well
>> >> funded, but when a particular perspective dominates funding sources,
>> >> opposing research (panbiogeography) has no chance at all. I forgot to
>> >> include in earlier posting that suppression and censorship is
>> supported by
>> >> at least one scientific institution - the Royal Society of New Zealand.
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Aug 25, 2023 at 1:00 AM Stephen Thorpe <
>> >> stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Tony,
>> >> > I'm not sure what John is on about either ... probably just another
>> >> > biogeographer rant (sorry John!)
>> >> > However, John does raise some valid general issues, but nobody seems
>> to
>> >> > like to discuss these issues. One such issue concerns the notion of
>> >> > "fraud", but I'm framing it as a funding issue. Is it fraud for a
>> >> project's
>> >> > merits to be misrepresented to funders by applicants, or is it simply
>> >> > "worth a shot?" If a funded project's merits are subsequently found
>> to
>> >> have
>> >> > been misrepresented in an accepted application, then should the
>> >> funding be
>> >> > refunded? Do funders even care? Does anybody even care? These are,
>> >> > unfortunately, real issues.
>> >> > Cheers, Stephen
>> >> >
>> >> > On Friday, 25 August 2023 at 04:43:53 pm NZST, Tony Rees <
>> >> > tonyrees49 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Hi John,
>> >> >
>> >> > I am still confused as to the subject matter of your post. You wrote:
>> >> > -------------------
>> >> > Recently when I noted about ZooNova as a publication option, a
>> Taxacom
>> >> > colleague implied (oof list) that the journal was dubious because he
>> >> > considered one (or more) papers to be dubious (in that person's
>> >> judgement).
>> >> > Here is a classic case of a 'Top' journal retracting a paper, showing
>> >> that
>> >> > the supposed 'prestige' of a journal has nothing necessarily to do
>> with
>> >> its
>> >> > content. In this case it was picked up on because the paper in
>> question
>> >> > appears to have run afoul of a sufficient number of prominent or
>> >> > influential researchers. In biogeography this does not happen, as the
>> >> > prominent (powerful and influential) players all play to the fraud
>> (that
>> >> > being the misrepresentation of what CODA methods can or cannot do or
>> >> > support). Power is everything in science.
>> >> > -------------------
>> >> >
>> >> > First of all, the journal involved is not Nature, so the title of the
>> >> > topic is misleading (as I already stated). Second, retracting a poor
>> >> paper
>> >> > written by persons with no credentials in climate science, in a
>> >> non-climate
>> >> > science journal, that makes large and unfounded claims regarding a
>> >> > particular aspect of climate science, is simply an indication of poor
>> >> (or
>> >> > more likely, inappropriate) peer review, so does not seem to prove
>> >> > anything. Then you introduce something to do with the lab leak
>> theory of
>> >> > COVID origin, which seems to indicate nothing as well, in addition to
>> >> > flying in the face of all published evidence. Then you claim that the
>> >> use
>> >> > of CODA methods in biogeography are some sort of fraud, with some
>> >> > implication that views to the contrary are being suppressed, despite
>> the
>> >> > fact that you have a paper already out in "Cladistics" in which such
>> >> > matters are apparently discussed (https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdoi.org%2F10.1111%2Fcla.12537&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7Cf8b66ebff36d4311a93308dba5abea43%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638285930032712167%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=n5u7c0SNEoTIp3OHQkyE%2B%2BfCQknpuOEStetVXC3zkbk%3D&reserved=0
>> ).
>> >> So
>> >> > what is the overall point of this thread, or can it simply be put to
>> >> rest?
>> >> >
>> >> > Not wishing to be unhelpful here, just somewhat confused...
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards - Tony
>> >> >
>> >> > Tony Rees, New South Wales, Australia
>> >> > https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2FTonyRees&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7Cf8b66ebff36d4311a93308dba5abea43%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638285930032712167%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=MP%2FVh0G8GaFl7rtdAduimQ2Go1%2FVocJkwmnw6go3QPc%3D&reserved=0
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 at 10:03, John Grehan via Taxacom <
>> >> > taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > I agree fully with Stephen about avoiding 'nefarious motivations',
>> even
>> >> > though they might be true. My focus is on the use of methodologies
>> that
>> >> > purport (functionally or operationally) one thing (empirical
>> evidence)
>> >> but
>> >> > are another (imagined evidence). As a rhetorical question, one might
>> ask
>> >> > about papers by Waters and his cohort if they do not include
>> >> consideration
>> >> > panbiogeographic evidence where pertinent given that they have
>> >> > publicly stated their support for suppression and censorship of
>> >> > panbiogeography. Having made their declaration it would seem absence
>> >> would
>> >> > have to be intentional which raises the obvious inference. But I will
>> >> > refrain from characterizing it a fraud since without an explicit
>> >> statement
>> >> > in each case one could really not know. On the other hand, other
>> people
>> >> > have stated their deliberate intention of not citing or discussing
>> >> > panbiogeography, so in those cases their works would seem to be
>> >> fraudulent.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 6:34 PM Stephen Thorpe <
>> >> stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
>> >> > >
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > Mike,
>> >> > >
>> >> > > The term fraud does have a broader meaning in English, not
>> restricted
>> >> to
>> >> > > the legal definition. For example, it can be said of a person that
>> he
>> >> is
>> >> > a
>> >> > > fraud. If there is any ambiguity in contexts like the present one,
>> >> then
>> >> > it
>> >> > > is perhaps best to use the phrase tantamount to fraud.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Scientific studies and articles may in fact have an aspect of true
>> >> legal
>> >> > > fraud, if their merits were misrepresented to the funder. However,
>> the
>> >> > onus
>> >> > > might be on the funder to properly evaluate applications and reject
>> >> any
>> >> > > misrepresentations/exaggerations. In practice though, all my
>> >> experience
>> >> > > suggests that there are few effective safeguards here. Personally,
>> I
>> >> > think
>> >> > > that if an article is retracted by the publisher, then the funder
>> >> should
>> >> > > also be reimbursed for the waste of funding, but I suspect that
>> >> doesn't
>> >> > > happen!
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Funding issues aside, there are plenty of scientific articles out
>> >> there
>> >> > > that are simply of poor quality or just plain wrong (whether by
>> >> > > incompetence or by design). Peer review doesn't seem to be very
>> >> effective
>> >> > > in practice. So, as with anything, one simply has to maintain a
>> >> critical
>> >> > > attitude and, if something is seen to be wrong, try to publicly
>> >> explain
>> >> > why
>> >> > > it is wrong. Rants probably just do more harm than good.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > So, John's opinion on the matter does matter, as much as anyone
>> >> else's,
>> >> > > but he perhaps just needs to take a different approach and avoid
>> >> > ascribing
>> >> > > nefarious motivations, even though it might be true. Better to just
>> >> > > critique the content, rather than going down the rabbit hole of
>> >> possible
>> >> > > motivations.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Cheers, Stephen
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Friday, 25 August 2023 at 09:51:17 am NZST, Michael A. Ivie via
>> >> > Taxacom
>> >> > > <taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > It does not matter that YOU consider it fraud, your opinion has no
>> >> value
>> >> > > as to the meaning of a criminal act, there is a definition of the
>> word
>> >> > > and crime, you don't just get to make things up. You can do that
>> in
>> >> > > biogeography, and that is not fraud either.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Mike
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On 8/24/2023 3:28 PM, John Grehan wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > ***External Sender***
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > If one sticks to fraud as 'intentional deception' then I would
>> >> agree.
>> >> > > > As I cannot provide proof of such intention, this would not
>> apply.
>> >> > > > CODA is an operational deception, and in that regard I consider
>> it
>> >> > > > fraudulent, definitions notwithstanding. Cheers, John
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 5:24 PM Michael A. Ivie <
>> mivie at montana.edu>
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > What you describe does not fit the definition of Fraud.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > On 8/24/2023 2:46 PM, John Grehan wrote:
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> ***External Sender***
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> Thanks for the word of caution Mike. I am referring to CODA
>> as a
>> >> > > >> fraud, but not making any assertions about individuals with
>> >> > > >> respect to ' intentional perversion of truth'. CODA is itself
>> >> > > >> fraudulent as it does not do what it is constructed to do -
>> to
>> >> > > >> provide scientific (empirical) evidence for conclusions about
>> >> > > >> (chance) dispersal and vicariance. It is a fraudulent
>> practice
>> >> > > >> because it misrepresents fossil calibrated molecular
>> divergence
>> >> > > >> ages as actual or maximal (which is simply impossible
>> >> > > >> empirically, it has to be imagined), uses recipes such as
>> >> > > >> BioGeoBears that can render results in favor of chance
>> dispersal
>> >> > > >> when vicariance is an equally applicable mechanism, and it
>> uses
>> >> > > >> areas that have no empirical (scientifically verifiable)
>> >> > > >> boundaries. Whether CODA supporters knowingly ignore this is
>> >> > > >> another matter.
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 4:35 PM Michael A. Ivie via Taxacom
>> >> > > >> <taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> John,
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> Perhaps you need to look up the definition of fraud, as
>> it
>> >> is
>> >> > > >> a word
>> >> > > >> worthy of civil suit for slander:
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> "**intentional perversion of truth in order to induce
>> >> another
>> >> > > >> to part
>> >> > > >> with something of value or to surrender a legal right"
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> Fraud is to get something of value, it is not the same as
>> >> > > >> suppression.
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> perhaps you mean dispute or suppression.
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> Mike.
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> On 8/24/2023 2:16 PM, John Grehan via Taxacom wrote:
>> >> > > >> > **External Sender**
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >> > Yep - although CODA stands for center of origin,
>> >> dispersal,
>> >> > and
>> >> > > >> > adaptation (adaptation as a means of dispersal, and
>> >> > > >> dispersal as a
>> >> > > >> > mechanism for differentiation). I see no problem
>> bringing
>> >> > > >> the matter up
>> >> > > >> > here as many taxonomists have strong views about
>> >> > > >> biogeography (haven't met
>> >> > > >> > any that don't at least), and all the molecular
>> >> > > >> taxonomists/systematists
>> >> > > >> > practice CODA methods that don't do what they claim, or
>> >> use
>> >> > non
>> >> > > >> > empirically non-existent units of analysis.
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >> > On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 3:52 PM Tony
>> >> > > >> Rees<tonyrees49 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >> >> Hi John, an 800 word (all right, 791) extended
>> quotation
>> >> > > >> disputing the
>> >> > > >> >> origins of COVID hardly qualifies as "not wanting to
>> go
>> >> > > >> down the COVID
>> >> > > >> >> hole", but I will let it pass...
>> >> > > >> >>
>> >> > > >> >> I must confess the acronym CODA as related to
>> >> biogeography
>> >> > > >> is unfamiliar
>> >> > > >> >> to me, however a brief google search led me here:
>> "Biotic
>> >> > > >> assembly in
>> >> > > >> >> evolutionary biogeography: a case for integrative
>> >> > > >> pluralism" by Juan J.
>> >> > > >> >> Morrone. published in 2020 in "Frontiers of
>> >> Biogeography",
>> >> > > >> which claims to
>> >> > > >> >> "... discuss the differences between the
>> >> > > >> dispersal-vicariance model and the
>> >> > > >> >> center of origin-dispersal-vicariance (CODA) and
>> >> > > >> vicariance models". My
>> >> > > >> >> guess is that if you have a problem with claimed
>> fraud in
>> >> > > >> "CODA practice",
>> >> > > >> >> you should take it up in a forum or publication route
>> >> > > >> relevant to that
>> >> > > >> >> topic. Sorry.
>> >> > > >> >>
>> >> > > >> >> Tony Rees, New South Wales, Australia
>> >> > > >> >> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2FTonyRees&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7Cf8b66ebff36d4311a93308dba5abea43%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638285930032712167%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=MP%2FVh0G8GaFl7rtdAduimQ2Go1%2FVocJkwmnw6go3QPc%3D&reserved=0
>> >> > > >> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2FTonyRees&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7Cf8b66ebff36d4311a93308dba5abea43%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638285930032712167%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=MP%2FVh0G8GaFl7rtdAduimQ2Go1%2FVocJkwmnw6go3QPc%3D&reserved=0>
>> >> > > >> >>
>> >> > > >> >>
>> >> > > >> >> On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 at 05:31, John
>> >> > > >> Grehan<calabar.john at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > > >> >>
>> >> > > >> >>> I would add that the examples given concern instances
>> >> > > >> where the fraud
>> >> > > >> >>> involved a minority but what happens when the fraud
>> is
>> >> > > >> committed by the
>> >> > > >> >>> majority (as in CODA practice)?
>> >> > > >> >>>
>> >> > > >> >>> On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 3:26 PM John
>> >> > > >> Grehan<calabar.john at gmail.com>
>> >> > > >> >>> wrote:
>> >> > > >> >>>
>> >> > > >> >>>> Yeah - not wanting to go down the COVID hole, or
>> any
>> >> > > >> other subject.
>> >> > > >> >>>> Just happened to be example issues. Cheers, John
>> >> > > >> >>>>
>> >> > > >> >>>> On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 3:04 PM Tony
>> >> > > >> Rees<tonyrees49 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > > >> >>>>
>> >> > > >> >>>>> Hi John, you wrote:
>> >> > > >> >>>>>> If a climate paper was published in Nature or
>> >> > > >> Science, which are not
>> >> > > >> >>>>> climate journals, is this because the authors
>> wished
>> >> to
>> >> > > >> avoid peer review?
>> >> > > >> >>>>>
>> >> > > >> >>>>> No, I think it is fair to say that these are
>> special
>> >> > > >> cases, that sit
>> >> > > >> >>>>> somewhere above more discipline-specific journals,
>> for
>> >> > > >> articles deemed to
>> >> > > >> >>>>> have high importance; and accordingly, would seek
>> out
>> >> > > >> the best (?) experts
>> >> > > >> >>>>> in relevant fields for review of any particular
>> >> > > >> article. That would be the
>> >> > > >> >>>>> hope, anyway :)
>> >> > > >> >>>>>
>> >> > > >> >>>>> Not going to go down the rabbit hole of origins of
>> >> > > >> Covid at this time,
>> >> > > >> >>>>> however I note that the Rupert Murdoch-owned
>> >> > > >> "Australian" was strongly
>> >> > > >> >>>>> promoting views by a Sky News Journalist (who
>> wrote a
>> >> > > >> book on the same
>> >> > > >> >>>>> subject last year) that everything is a cover-up
>> and
>> >> > > >> the virus escaped from
>> >> > > >> >>>>> the Wuhan Lab. I fact checked her first 4
>> statements
>> >> > > >> and they were all
>> >> > > >> >>>>> incorrect, after which I lost faith in her
>> analysis.
>> >> > > >> For now I think the
>> >> > > >> >>>>> best summary is probably at
>> >> > > >> >>>>> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FOrigin_of_COVID-19&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7Cf8b66ebff36d4311a93308dba5abea43%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638285930032712167%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=AqUAZq9A%2BHK85nUdCb7SuiCdFfxjsve%2FNab1yVyhZAI%3D&reserved=0
>> >> > > >> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FOrigin_of_COVID-19&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7Cf8b66ebff36d4311a93308dba5abea43%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638285930032712167%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=AqUAZq9A%2BHK85nUdCb7SuiCdFfxjsve%2FNab1yVyhZAI%3D&reserved=0>,
>> >> > > >> which Taxacom
>> >> > > >> >>>>> readers are welcome to consult for more detail, or
>> >> even
>> >> > > >> amend if they
>> >> > > >> >>>>> disagree with it.
>> >> > > >> >>>>>
>> >> > > >> >>>>> Regards - Tony
>> >> > > >> >>>>> Tony Rees, New South Wales, Australia
>> >> > > >> >>>>> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2FTonyRees&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7Cf8b66ebff36d4311a93308dba5abea43%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638285930032712167%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=MP%2FVh0G8GaFl7rtdAduimQ2Go1%2FVocJkwmnw6go3QPc%3D&reserved=0
>> >> > > >> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2FTonyRees&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7Cf8b66ebff36d4311a93308dba5abea43%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638285930032712167%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=MP%2FVh0G8GaFl7rtdAduimQ2Go1%2FVocJkwmnw6go3QPc%3D&reserved=0>
>> >> > > >> >>>>>
>> >> > > >> >>>>>
>> >> > > >> >>>>> On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 at 04:43, John
>> >> > > >> Grehan<calabar.john at gmail.com>
>> >> > > >> >>>>> wrote:
>> >> > > >> >>>>>
>> >> > > >> >>>>>> That's an interesting quote about not publishing
>> in a
>> >> > > >> climate journal
>> >> > > >> >>>>>> for a climate paper: "This is a common avenue
>> taken
>> >> by
>> >> > > >> 'climate skeptics'
>> >> > > >> >>>>>> in order to avoid peer review by real experts in
>> the
>> >> > > >> field." But just
>> >> > > >> >>>>>> because a climate paper is not published in a
>> climate
>> >> > > >> journal does not mean
>> >> > > >> >>>>>> that it can avoid 'peer' review. It depends on the
>> >> > > >> journal and the intent
>> >> > > >> >>>>>> of the editor to ensure that proper peer review
>> takes
>> >> > > >> place. If a climate
>> >> > > >> >>>>>> paper was published in Nature or Science, which
>> are
>> >> > > >> not climate journals,
>> >> > > >> >>>>>> is this because the authors wished to avoid peer
>> >> review?
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>
>> >> > > >> >>>>>> On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 2:40 PM John
>> >> > > >> Grehan<calabar.john at gmail.com>
>> >> > > >> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> Thanks for that clarification Tony. As for Nature
>> >> > > >> "might have a
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> higher degree of scrutiny" - who knows. Saw this
>> as
>> >> > > >> yet unresolved issue
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> below, this time involving Nature. I don't keep
>> >> > > >> regular track of such
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> questions, although perhaps I should, and write
>> >> > > >> something on fraud in CODA
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> biogeography - but then who would publish such?
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> A growing number of people, including prominent
>> >> > > >> scientists, are
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> calling for a full retraction of a high-profile
>> >> study
>> >> > > >> published in the
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> journal Nature in March 2020 that explored the
>> >> > > >> origins of SARS-CoV-2.
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> The paper, whose authors included immunology and
>> >> > > >> microbiology
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> professor Kristian G. Andersen, declared that
>> >> > > >> evidence clearly showed that
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> SARS-CoV-2 did not originate from a laboratory.
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> “Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is
>> not a
>> >> > > >> laboratory
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> construct or a purposefully manipulated virus,”
>> the
>> >> > > >> authors wrote in
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> February.
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> Yet a trove of recently published documents
>> reveal
>> >> > > >> that Andersen and
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> his co-authors believed that the lab leak
>> scenario
>> >> > > >> was not just possible,
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> but likely.
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> “[The] main thing still in my mind is that the
>> lab
>> >> > > >> escape version of
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> this is so friggin’ likely to have happened
>> because
>> >> > > >> they were already doing
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> this type of work and the molecular data is fully
>> >> > > >> consistent with that
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> scenario,” Andersen said to his colleagues,
>> >> according
>> >> > > >> to a report from
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> Public, which published a series of Slack
>> messages
>> >> > > >> between the authors.
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> Anderson was not the only author who privately
>> >> > > >> expressed doubts that
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> the virus had natural origins. Public cataloged
>> >> > > >> dozens of statements from
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> Andersen and his co-authors—Andrew Rambaut, W.
>> Ian
>> >> > > >> Lipkin, Edward C.
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> Holmes, and Robert F. Garry—between the dates
>> >> January
>> >> > > >> 31 and February 28,
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> 2020 suggesting that SARS-CoV-2 may have been
>> >> > engineered.
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> ” …the fact that we are discussing this shows how
>> >> > > >> plausible it is,”
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> Garry said of the lab-leak hypothesis.
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> “We unfortunately can’t refute the lab leak
>> >> > > >> hypothesis,” Andersen
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> said on Feb. 20, several days after the authors
>> >> > > >> published their pre-print.
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> To complicate matters further, new reporting from
>> >> The
>> >> > > >> Intercept
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> reveals that Anderson had an $8.9 million grant
>> with
>> >> > > >> NIH pending final
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> approval from Dr. Anthony Fauci when the Proximal
>> >> > > >> Origin paper was
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> submitted.
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> ‘Fraud and Scientific Misconduct’?
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> The findings have led several prominent figures
>> to
>> >> > > >> accuse the authors
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> of outright deception.
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> Richard H. Ebright, the Board of Governors
>> Professor
>> >> > > >> of Chemistry and
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> Chemical Biology at Rutgers University, called
>> the
>> >> > > >> paper “scientific
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> fraud.”
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> “The 2020 ‘Proximal Origin’ paper falsely claimed
>> >> > > >> science showed
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> COVID-19 did not have a lab origin,” tweeted
>> >> Ebright.
>> >> > > >> “Newly released
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> messages from the authors show they did not
>> believe
>> >> > > >> the conclusions of the
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> paper and show the paper is the product of
>> >> scientific
>> >> > > >> fraud and scientific
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> misconduct.”
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> Ebright and Silver are among those pushing a
>> >> petition
>> >> > > >> urging Nature
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> to retract the article in light of these
>> findings.
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> Among those to sign the petition was Neil
>> Harrison,
>> >> a
>> >> > > >> professor of
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> anesthesiology and molecular pharmacology at
>> >> Columbia
>> >> > > >> University.
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> “Virologists and their allies have produced a
>> number
>> >> > > >> of papers that
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> purport to show that the virus was of natural
>> origin
>> >> > > >> and that the pandemic
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> began at the Huanan seafood market,” Harrison
>> told
>> >> > > >> The Telegraph. “In fact
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> there is no evidence for either of these
>> >> conclusions,
>> >> > > >> and the email and
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> Slack messages among the authors show that they
>> knew
>> >> > > >> at the time that this
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> was the case.”
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> Only ‘Expressing Opinions’?
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> Dr. Joao Monteiro, chief editor of Nature, has
>> >> > > >> rebuffed calls for a
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> retraction, The Telegraph notes, saying the
>> authors
>> >> > > >> were merely “expressing
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> opinions.”
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> This claim is dubious at best. From the
>> beginning,
>> >> > > >> the Proximal
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> Origin study was presented as authoritative and
>> >> > > >> scientific. Jeremy Farrar,
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> a British medical researcher and now the chief
>> >> > > >> scientist at the World
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> Health Organization (WHO), told USA Today that
>> >> > > >> Proximal Origin was the
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> “most important research on the genomic
>> epidemiology
>> >> > > >> of the origins of this
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> virus to date.”
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> Dr. Anthony Fauci, speaking from the White House
>> >> > > >> podium in April
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> 2020, cited the study as evidence that the
>> mutations
>> >> > > >> of the virus were
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> “totally consistent with a jump from a species
>> of an
>> >> > > >> animal to a human.”
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> Fact-check organizations were soon citing the
>> study
>> >> > > >> as proof that COVID-19
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> “could not have been manipulated.”
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> Far from being presented as a handful of
>> scientists
>> >> > > >> “expressing
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> opinions,” the Proximal Origin study was treated
>> as
>> >> > > >> gospel, a dogma that
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> could not even be questioned. This allowed social
>> >> > > >> media companies (working
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> hand-in-hand with government agencies) to censor
>> >> > > >> people who publicly stated
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> what Andersen and his colleagues were saying
>> >> > > >> privately—that it seemed
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> plausible that SARS-CoV-2 came from the
>> laboratory
>> >> in
>> >> > > >> Wuhan that
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> experimented on coronaviruses and had a checkered
>> >> > > >> safety record.
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> Indeed, even as media and government officials
>> used
>> >> > > >> the Proximal
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> Origin study to smear people as conspiracy
>> theorists
>> >> > > >> for speculating that
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> COVID-19 might have emerged from the Wuhan lab, a
>> >> > > >> Defense Intelligence
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> Agency study commissioned by the government
>> >> > > >> questioned the study’s
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> scientific rigor.
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> “The arguments that Andersen et al. use to
>> support a
>> >> > > >> natural-origin
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> scenario for SARS CoV-2 are based not on
>> scientific
>> >> > > >> analysis, but on
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> unwarranted assumptions,” the now-declassified
>> paper
>> >> > > >> concluded. “In fact,
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> the features of SARS-CoV-2 noted by Andersen et
>> al.
>> >> > > >> are consistent with
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> another scenario: that SARS-CoV-2 was developed
>> in a
>> >> > > >> laboratory…”
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 2:22 PM Tony
>> >> > > >> Rees<tonyrees49 at gmail.com>
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>> Hi John,
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>> I took a look at the paper which is online and
>> open
>> >> > > >> access. I must
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>> say when I saw it at the time of original
>> >> > > >> publication I thought its main
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>> conclusions very odd and at variance with almost
>> >> all
>> >> > > >> other research on the
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>> topic.
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>> Just to be clear per your thread title - the
>> paper
>> >> > > >> does not appear
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>> in "Nature" (which I imagine might have a higher
>> >> > > >> degree of scrutiny), but
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>> in "The European Physical Journal Plus" which
>> is a
>> >> > > >> different outlet, albeit
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>> from the same publisher.
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>> Best - Tony
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>> Tony Rees, New South Wales, Australia
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2FTonyRees&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7Cf8b66ebff36d4311a93308dba5abea43%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638285930032712167%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=MP%2FVh0G8GaFl7rtdAduimQ2Go1%2FVocJkwmnw6go3QPc%3D&reserved=0
>> >> > > >> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2FTonyRees&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7Cf8b66ebff36d4311a93308dba5abea43%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638285930032712167%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=MP%2FVh0G8GaFl7rtdAduimQ2Go1%2FVocJkwmnw6go3QPc%3D&reserved=0>
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>> On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 at 03:59, John Grehan via
>> >> Taxacom
>> >> > <
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>> taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> Recently when I noted about ZooNova as a
>> >> > > >> publication option, a
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> Taxacom
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> colleague implied (oof list) that the journal
>> was
>> >> > > >> dubious because he
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> considered one (or more) papers to be dubious
>> (in
>> >> > > >> that person's
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> judgement).
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> Here is a classic case of a 'Top' journal
>> >> > > >> retracting a paper,
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> showing that
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> the supposed 'prestige' of a journal has
>> nothing
>> >> > > >> necessarily to do
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> with its
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> content. In this case it was picked up on
>> because
>> >> > > >> the paper in
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> question
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> appears to have run afoul of a sufficient
>> number
>> >> of
>> >> > > >> prominent or
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> influential researchers. In biogeography this
>> does
>> >> > > >> not happen, as
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> the
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> prominent (powerful and influential) players
>> all
>> >> > > >> play to the fraud
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> (that
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> being the misrepresentation of what CODA
>> methods
>> >> > > >> can or cannot do or
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> support). Power is everything in science.
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> Top science publisher Springer Nature said it
>> has
>> >> > > >> withdrawn a study
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> that
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> presented misleading conclusions on climate
>> change
>> >> > > >> impacts after an
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> investigation prompted by an AFP inquiry.
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> AFP reported in September 2022 on concerns over
>> >> the
>> >> > > >> peer-reviewed
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> study by
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> four Italian scientists that appeared earlier
>> that
>> >> > > >> year in the
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> European
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> Physical Journal Plus, published by Springer
>> >> Nature.
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> The study had drawn positive attention from
>> >> > > >> climate-sceptic media.
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> The paper, titled "A critical assessment of
>> >> extreme
>> >> > > >> events trends
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> in times
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> of global warming", purported to review data on
>> >> > > >> possible changes in
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> the
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> frequency or intensity of rainfall, cyclones,
>> >> > > >> tornadoes, droughts
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> and other
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> extreme weather events.
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> Several climate scientists contacted by AFP
>> said
>> >> > > >> the study
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> manipulated
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> data, cherry picked facts and ignored others
>> that
>> >> > > >> would contradict
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> their
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> assertions, prompting the publisher to launch
>> an
>> >> > > >> internal review.
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> "The Editors and publishers concluded that
>> they no
>> >> > > >> longer had
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> confidence in
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> the results and conclusions of the article,"
>> >> > > >> Springer Nature told
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> AFP in an
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> email late Wednesday.
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> The journal's editors published an online note
>> >> > > >> stating that the
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> paper was
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> retracted due to concerns over "the selection
>> of
>> >> > > >> the data, the
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> analysis and
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> the resulting conclusions".
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> --
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fhepialidsoftheworld.com.au%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7Cf8b66ebff36d4311a93308dba5abea43%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638285930032712167%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=sq4YPUGTpCI2QzQXnnsIii3K6%2FXDTIx91d8daOMJmSo%3D&reserved=0
>> >> > > >> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fhepialidsoftheworld.com.au%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7Cf8b66ebff36d4311a93308dba5abea43%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638285930032712167%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=sq4YPUGTpCI2QzQXnnsIii3K6%2FXDTIx91d8daOMJmSo%3D&reserved=0>
>> >> > > >> (use the 'visit archived web
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> site'
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> link, then the 'Ghost Moth Research page' link.
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>> >> > > >> searched at:
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftaxacom.markmail.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7Cf8b66ebff36d4311a93308dba5abea43%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638285930032712167%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=2FB7yO3K2sjdY7IdAUUVauCC8oKZYJacJk0mD4JY7L8%3D&reserved=0
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>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> Nurturing nuance while assailing ambiguity and
>> >> > admiring
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> alliteration for about 36 years, 1987-2023.
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> --
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fhepialidsoftheworld.com.au%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7Cf8b66ebff36d4311a93308dba5abea43%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638285930032712167%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=sq4YPUGTpCI2QzQXnnsIii3K6%2FXDTIx91d8daOMJmSo%3D&reserved=0
>> >> > > >> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fhepialidsoftheworld.com.au%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7Cf8b66ebff36d4311a93308dba5abea43%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638285930032712167%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=sq4YPUGTpCI2QzQXnnsIii3K6%2FXDTIx91d8daOMJmSo%3D&reserved=0>
>> >> > > >> (use the 'visit archived web
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>> site' link, then the 'Ghost Moth Research page'
>> >> link.
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>>
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>
>> >> > > >> >>>>>> --
>> >> > > >> >>>>>> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fhepialidsoftheworld.com.au%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7Cf8b66ebff36d4311a93308dba5abea43%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638285930032712167%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=sq4YPUGTpCI2QzQXnnsIii3K6%2FXDTIx91d8daOMJmSo%3D&reserved=0
>> >> > > >> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fhepialidsoftheworld.com.au%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7Cf8b66ebff36d4311a93308dba5abea43%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638285930032712167%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=sq4YPUGTpCI2QzQXnnsIii3K6%2FXDTIx91d8daOMJmSo%3D&reserved=0>
>> >> > > >> (use the 'visit archived web
>> >> > > >> >>>>>> site' link, then the 'Ghost Moth Research page'
>> link.
>> >> > > >> >>>>>>
>> >> > > >> >>>> --
>> >> > > >> >>>> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fhepialidsoftheworld.com.au%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7Cf8b66ebff36d4311a93308dba5abea43%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638285930032712167%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=sq4YPUGTpCI2QzQXnnsIii3K6%2FXDTIx91d8daOMJmSo%3D&reserved=0
>> >> > > >> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fhepialidsoftheworld.com.au%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7Cf8b66ebff36d4311a93308dba5abea43%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638285930032712167%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=sq4YPUGTpCI2QzQXnnsIii3K6%2FXDTIx91d8daOMJmSo%3D&reserved=0>
>> >> > > >> (use the 'visit archived web site'
>> >> > > >> >>>> link, then the 'Ghost Moth Research page' link.
>> >> > > >> >>>>
>> >> > > >> >>>
>> >> > > >> >>> --
>> >> > > >> >>> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fhepialidsoftheworld.com.au%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7Cf8b66ebff36d4311a93308dba5abea43%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638285930032712167%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=sq4YPUGTpCI2QzQXnnsIii3K6%2FXDTIx91d8daOMJmSo%3D&reserved=0
>> >> > > >> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fhepialidsoftheworld.com.au%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7Cf8b66ebff36d4311a93308dba5abea43%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638285930032712167%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=sq4YPUGTpCI2QzQXnnsIii3K6%2FXDTIx91d8daOMJmSo%3D&reserved=0>
>> >> > > >> (use the 'visit archived web site'
>> >> > > >> >>> link, then the 'Ghost Moth Research page' link.
>> >> > > >> >>>
>> >> > > >> > --
>> >> > > >> > https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fhepialidsoftheworld.com.au%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7Cf8b66ebff36d4311a93308dba5abea43%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638285930032712167%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=sq4YPUGTpCI2QzQXnnsIii3K6%2FXDTIx91d8daOMJmSo%3D&reserved=0
>> >> > > >> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fhepialidsoftheworld.com.au%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7Cf8b66ebff36d4311a93308dba5abea43%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638285930032712167%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=sq4YPUGTpCI2QzQXnnsIii3K6%2FXDTIx91d8daOMJmSo%3D&reserved=0>
>> >> > > >> (use the 'visit archived web site'
>> >> > > >> > link, then the 'Ghost Moth Research page' link.
>> >> > > >> > _______________________________________________
>> >> > > >> > Taxacom Mailing List
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >> > Send Taxacom mailing list submissions
>> >> > > >> to:taxacom at lists.ku.edu <mailto:
>> to%3Ataxacom at lists.ku.edu>
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>> >> > > >> visit:https://lists.ku.edu/listinfo/taxacom
>> >> > > >> <https://lists.ku.edu/listinfo/taxacom>
>> >> > > >> > You can reach the person managing the list
>> >> > > >> at:taxacom-owner at lists.ku.edu
>> >> > > >> <mailto:at%3Ataxacom-owner at lists.ku.edu>
>> >> > > >> > The Taxacom email archive back to 1992 can be searched
>> >> > > >> at:https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftaxacom.markmail.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7Cf8b66ebff36d4311a93308dba5abea43%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638285930032712167%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=2FB7yO3K2sjdY7IdAUUVauCC8oKZYJacJk0mD4JY7L8%3D&reserved=0
>> >> > > >> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftaxacom.markmail.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7Cf8b66ebff36d4311a93308dba5abea43%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638285930032712167%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=2FB7yO3K2sjdY7IdAUUVauCC8oKZYJacJk0mD4JY7L8%3D&reserved=0>
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >> > Nurturing nuance while assailing ambiguity and admiring
>> >> > > >> alliteration for about 36 years, 1987-2023.
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> --
>> >> > > >> __________________________________________________
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> Michael A. Ivie, Ph.D., F.R.E.S.
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> NOTE: two addresses with different Zip Codes depending on
>> >> > > >> carriers
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> US Post Office Address:
>> >> > > >> Montana Entomology Collection
>> >> > > >> Marsh Labs, Room 50
>> >> > > >> PO Box 173145
>> >> > > >> Montana State University
>> >> > > >> Bozeman, MT 59717
>> >> > > >> USA
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> UPS, FedEx, DHL Address:
>> >> > > >> Montana Entomology Collection
>> >> > > >> Marsh Labs, Room 50
>> >> > > >> 1911 West Lincoln Street
>> >> > > >> Montana State University
>> >> > > >> Bozeman, MT 59718
>> >> > > >> USA
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> (406) 994-4610 (voice)
>> >> > > >> (406) 994-6029 (FAX)
>> >> > > >> mivie at montana.edu
>> >> > > >> _______________________________________________
>> >> > > >> Taxacom Mailing List
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> Send Taxacom mailing list submissions to:
>> >> taxacom at lists.ku.edu
>> >> > > >> For list information; to subscribe or unsubscribe, visit:
>> >> > > >> https://lists.ku.edu/listinfo/taxacom
>> >> > > >> <https://lists.ku.edu/listinfo/taxacom>
>> >> > > >> You can reach the person managing the list at:
>> >> > > >> taxacom-owner at lists.ku.edu
>> >> > > >> The Taxacom email archive back to 1992 can be searched
>> at:
>> >> > > >> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftaxacom.markmail.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7Cf8b66ebff36d4311a93308dba5abea43%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638285930032712167%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=2FB7yO3K2sjdY7IdAUUVauCC8oKZYJacJk0mD4JY7L8%3D&reserved=0
>> >> > > >> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftaxacom.markmail.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7Cf8b66ebff36d4311a93308dba5abea43%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638285930032712167%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=2FB7yO3K2sjdY7IdAUUVauCC8oKZYJacJk0mD4JY7L8%3D&reserved=0>
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> Nurturing nuance while assailing ambiguity and admiring
>> >> > > >> alliteration for about 36 years, 1987-2023.
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> --
>> >> > > >> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fhepialidsoftheworld.com.au%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7Cf8b66ebff36d4311a93308dba5abea43%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638285930032712167%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=sq4YPUGTpCI2QzQXnnsIii3K6%2FXDTIx91d8daOMJmSo%3D&reserved=0
>> >> > > >> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fhepialidsoftheworld.com.au%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7Cf8b66ebff36d4311a93308dba5abea43%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638285930032712167%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=sq4YPUGTpCI2QzQXnnsIii3K6%2FXDTIx91d8daOMJmSo%3D&reserved=0> (use
>> >> > > >> the 'visit archived web site' link, then the 'Ghost Moth
>> >> Research
>> >> > > >> page' link.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > --
>> >> > > > __________________________________________________
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Michael A. Ivie, Ph.D., F.R.E.S.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > NOTE: two addresses with different Zip Codes depending on
>> >> carriers
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > US Post Office Address:
>> >> > > > Montana Entomology Collection
>> >> > > > Marsh Labs, Room 50
>> >> > > > PO Box 173145
>> >> > > > Montana State University
>> >> > > > Bozeman, MT 59717
>> >> > > > USA
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > UPS, FedEx, DHL Address:
>> >> > > > Montana Entomology Collection
>> >> > > > Marsh Labs, Room 50
>> >> > > > 1911 West Lincoln Street
>> >> > > > Montana State University
>> >> > > > Bozeman, MT 59718
>> >> > > > USA
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > (406) 994-4610 (voice)
>> >> > > > (406) 994-6029 (FAX)
>> >> > > > mivie at montana.edu
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > --
>> >> > > > https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fhepialidsoftheworld.com.au%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7Cf8b66ebff36d4311a93308dba5abea43%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638285930032867599%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=rQGZKcJfGUGvBLO1iUyyRd8Hyv5PjYiviefj5Q8mg3M%3D&reserved=0
>> >> > > > <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fhepialidsoftheworld.com.au%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7Cf8b66ebff36d4311a93308dba5abea43%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638285930032867599%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=rQGZKcJfGUGvBLO1iUyyRd8Hyv5PjYiviefj5Q8mg3M%3D&reserved=0> (use
>> >> > > > the 'visit archived web site' link, then the 'Ghost Moth Research
>> >> > > > page' link.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > --
>> >> > > __________________________________________________
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Michael A. Ivie, Ph.D., F.R.E.S.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > NOTE: two addresses with different Zip Codes depending on carriers
>> >> > >
>> >> > > US Post Office Address:
>> >> > > Montana Entomology Collection
>> >> > > Marsh Labs, Room 50
>> >> > > PO Box 173145
>> >> > > Montana State University
>> >> > > Bozeman, MT 59717
>> >> > > USA
>> >> > >
>> >> > > UPS, FedEx, DHL Address:
>> >> > > Montana Entomology Collection
>> >> > > Marsh Labs, Room 50
>> >> > > 1911 West Lincoln Street
>> >> > > Montana State University
>> >> > > Bozeman, MT 59718
>> >> > > USA
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > (406) 994-4610 (voice)
>> >> > > (406) 994-6029 (FAX)
>> >> > > mivie at montana.edu
>> >> > > _______________________________________________
>> >> > > Taxacom Mailing List
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Send Taxacom mailing list submissions to: taxacom at lists.ku.edu
>> >> > > For list information; to subscribe or unsubscribe, visit:
>> >> > > https://lists.ku.edu/listinfo/taxacom
>> >> > > You can reach the person managing the list at:
>> >> > taxacom-owner at lists.ku.edu
>> >> > > The Taxacom email archive back to 1992 can be searched at:
>> >> > > https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftaxacom.markmail.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7Cf8b66ebff36d4311a93308dba5abea43%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638285930032867599%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=p0XsktrSq7Rl0WyuC0CHlZWpEYBk5jDjO3Pj4wWA950%3D&reserved=0
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Nurturing nuance while assailing ambiguity and admiring
>> alliteration
>> >> for
>> >> > > about 36 years, 1987-2023.
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fhepialidsoftheworld.com.au%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7Cf8b66ebff36d4311a93308dba5abea43%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638285930032867599%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=rQGZKcJfGUGvBLO1iUyyRd8Hyv5PjYiviefj5Q8mg3M%3D&reserved=0 (use the 'visit archived web
>> site'
>> >> > link, then the 'Ghost Moth Research page' link.
>> >> > _______________________________________________
>> >> > Taxacom Mailing List
>> >> >
>> >> > Send Taxacom mailing list submissions to: taxacom at lists.ku.edu
>> >> > For list information; to subscribe or unsubscribe, visit:
>> >> > https://lists.ku.edu/listinfo/taxacom
>> >> > You can reach the person managing the list at:
>> >> taxacom-owner at lists.ku.edu
>> >> > The Taxacom email archive back to 1992 can be searched at:
>> >> > https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftaxacom.markmail.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7Cf8b66ebff36d4311a93308dba5abea43%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638285930032867599%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=p0XsktrSq7Rl0WyuC0CHlZWpEYBk5jDjO3Pj4wWA950%3D&reserved=0
>> >> >
>> >> > Nurturing nuance while assailing ambiguity and admiring alliteration
>> for
>> >> > about 36 years, 1987-2023.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fhepialidsoftheworld.com.au%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7Cf8b66ebff36d4311a93308dba5abea43%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638285930032867599%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=rQGZKcJfGUGvBLO1iUyyRd8Hyv5PjYiviefj5Q8mg3M%3D&reserved=0 (use the 'visit archived web site'
>> >> link, then the 'Ghost Moth Research page' link.
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Taxacom Mailing List
>> >>
>> >> Send Taxacom mailing list submissions to: taxacom at lists.ku.edu
>> >> For list information; to subscribe or unsubscribe, visit:
>> >> https://lists.ku.edu/listinfo/taxacom
>> >> You can reach the person managing the list at:
>> taxacom-owner at lists.ku.edu
>> >> The Taxacom email archive back to 1992 can be searched at:
>> >> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftaxacom.markmail.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7Cf8b66ebff36d4311a93308dba5abea43%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638285930032867599%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=p0XsktrSq7Rl0WyuC0CHlZWpEYBk5jDjO3Pj4wWA950%3D&reserved=0
>> >>
>> >> Nurturing nuance while assailing ambiguity and admiring alliteration
>> for
>> >> about 36 years, 1987-2023.
>> >>
>> >
>>
>> --
>> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fhepialidsoftheworld.com.au%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7Cf8b66ebff36d4311a93308dba5abea43%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638285930032867599%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=rQGZKcJfGUGvBLO1iUyyRd8Hyv5PjYiviefj5Q8mg3M%3D&reserved=0 (use the 'visit archived web site'
>> link, then the 'Ghost Moth Research page' link.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Taxacom Mailing List
>>
>> Send Taxacom mailing list submissions to: taxacom at lists.ku.edu
>> For list information; to subscribe or unsubscribe, visit:
>> https://lists.ku.edu/listinfo/taxacom
>> You can reach the person managing the list at: taxacom-owner at lists.ku.edu
>> The Taxacom email archive back to 1992 can be searched at:
>> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftaxacom.markmail.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7Cf8b66ebff36d4311a93308dba5abea43%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638285930032867599%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=p0XsktrSq7Rl0WyuC0CHlZWpEYBk5jDjO3Pj4wWA950%3D&reserved=0
>>
>> Nurturing nuance while assailing ambiguity and admiring alliteration for
>> about 36 years, 1987-2023.
>>
>
>
> --
> Richard Jensen, Professor Emeritus
> Department of Biology
> Saint Mary's College
> Notre Dame, IN 46556
>
--
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