Taxacom: "Early Permian" angiosperms... real or not real taxa/names?

[Paul van Rijckevorsel]

Thank you. We are dealing with several options here:
* electronic publication. If something aims to be electronically
published, it needs a valid ISSN or ISBN. A fictitious ISSN
or ISBN does not count.

* printed publication. I have never heard that a prior attempt
at electronic publication would prevent printed publication.
If something fails to be electronically published, it does not
exist for the /Code/, and a non-existing item cannot influence
anything. There were some proposals-to-amend the /Code/ to
disallow reprints of pre-1753 works from being regarded as
independent effective publications, but these were rejected.

* What counts as effective, printed publication? This is not
clear-cut. A first point is that merely being printed is not
enough. It must be distributed as well: there is a famous case
of a book in WWII of which almost the entire print run was
lost in a bombardment before it could be distributed. There
was only a single surviving copy of the book: this did not
count as being distributed. The new names in the book were
later published in a journal.

What also does not count is print-on-demand (Art. 30 Ex. 18),
there must be a print run (numbers unspecified).

For theses (to get a degree at a university), there often is a
print run, but in itself this is not sufficient. For theses from 1953
onward, an ISBN or statement from printer or distributor is
enough to establish that it is intended to be effectively published
(Art. 30.9 and Art. 30 Note 2).

For non-theses an ISBN is not formally required, although it
would look more than a little odd to have a book without an
ISBN.

So, there is something of a grey area. If a book is printed
(in plausible numbers) in a single print run and then distributed,
at some point it can cross the threshold to effective publication.

If a dubious book does cross that threshold (that is, it counts as
effectively published), there is the option of suppressing the
work (Art. 34).

Paul

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[somehow not received; this from taxacom archives]

Not if it has been put online previously (electronically) and their 
defined as
"paper" and there is no version indicated of the various files of pdfs and
printed that have been created (and that is a requirement of the code for
e-publications). The code is strict on that account. Moreover a journal has
no ISBN, just a book has but you cannot print the same or similar "paper"
in more than one mediums without indicating it and the thing being still
valid. We made a request to the Commission of the Code of how to handle
these "papers" and the answer was that these did formally not exist for
the Code so there is no handling it.

Actually, apart from some formal errors in the first pdfs that are 
improved now,
there is no way to define when and where it was formally created since 
there is
no formal traceably version and often multiple names for the same specimens,
sometimes even the holotypes. I'm sorry if worldcat accepts it, but by 
Italian
lay you have register a ISBN like an ISSN and deposit it in one of the three
institutions that are formal depositories, otherwise it is not accepted as
printed. And by the way, some of these "books" that he prints have the 
same ISBN
number.

But if there is a new interpretation I'm happy to go back to the 
commission and
ask for a second opinion on this to be sure how to move on with this in the
future. Because he "created" as he himself stated several hundreds of 
species
and some tens of genera names and families mostly of Permian and Triassic
plants. I love most his first angiosperms that were impressions of 
ammonoids but
since then he improved at least the fossils are plant fossils now and 
some are
really interesting although a lot are manipulated.

Evelyn



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