Taxacom: "Early Permian" angiosperms... real or not real taxa/names?

Tue Jun 7 07:37:51 CDT 2022

Not if it has been put online previously (electronically) and their defined as "paper" and there is no version indicated of the various files of pdfs and printed that have been created (and that is a requirement of the code for e-publications). The code is strict on that account.
Moreover a journal has no ISBN, just a book has but you cannot print the same or similar "paper" in more than one mediums without indicating it and the thing being still valid.
We made a request to the Commission of the Code of how to handle these "papers" and the answer was that these did formally not exist for the Code so there is no handling it. 

Actually, apart from some formal errors in the first pdfs that are improved now, there is no way to define when and where it was formally created since there is no formal traceably version and often multiple names for the same specimens, sometimes even the holotypes. I'm sorry if worldcat accepts it, but by Italian lay you have register a ISBN like an ISSN and deposit it in one of the three institutions that are formal depositories, otherwise it is not accepted as printed. And by the way, some of these "books" that he prints have the same ISBN number.

But if there is a new interpretation I'm happy to go back to the commission and ask for a second opinion on this to be sure how to move on with this in the future. Because he "created" as he himself stated several hundreds of species and some tens of genera names and families mostly of Permian and Triassic plants. I love most his first angiosperms that were impressions of ammonoids but since then he improved at least the fossils are plant fossils now and some are really interesting  although a lot are manipulated.

Evelyn

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at lists.ku.edu> Im Auftrag von Paul van Rijckevorsel via Taxacom
Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Juni 2022 12:38
An: taxacom at lists.ku.edu
Betreff: Re: Taxacom: "Early Permian" angiosperms... real or not real taxa/names?

If an ISSN is fictional, then a publication is not effective.
See ICNafp, Art. 29 Note 2.

However, this particular publication has an ISBN not an ISSN.
Worldcat accepts this ISBN 978-88-944100-4-4 and feels this is a print book. If that is indeed the case, effective publication has taken place.

Paul

On 07-Jun-22 11:22, Tony Rees via Taxacom wrote:
> No problem, thank you very much for alerting us to the situation in 
> this case.
>
> Best wishes - Tony
>
> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 7:19 pm Kustatscher Evelyn, < 
> Evelyn.Kustatscher at naturmuseum.it> wrote:
>
>> Hi Tony,
>>
>> I'm terribly sorry for this, but I was not able to check the mails 
>> earlier. And as said, not use his "papers" at all.
>>
>> Evelyn
>>
>>
>>
>> *Von:* Tony Rees<tonyrees49 at gmail.com>
>> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 7. Juni 2022 09:01
>> *An:* Kustatscher Evelyn<Evelyn.Kustatscher at naturmuseum.it>
>> *Cc:* John Grehan<calabar.john at gmail.com>;taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
>> *Betreff:* Re: Taxacom: "Early Permian" angiosperms... real or not 
>> real taxa/names?
>>
>>
>>
>> Aha... Thanks very much, Evelyn for that useful background! In that 
>> case I shall delete his names and the cited work in which they were 
>> published from my data system... In fact they stay on the system as 
>> deprecated records where persons with admin privileges will see them 
>> as deleted, with a note explaining why, which will avoid them being 
>> accidentally created again as duplicate entries.
>>
>>
>>
>> A day or two spent and/or wasted, perhaps, in pursuit of this, 
>> however some useful information has come to light along the way as 
>> well, so I do not really mind!
>>
>>
>>
>> With best regards - Tony
>>
>>
>> Tony Rees, New South Wales, Australia
>>
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>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 at 16:12, Kustatscher Evelyn via Taxacom < 
>> taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Sorry to have seen this mail only now but I was off on holidays.
>>
>> Apart from the general discussion I can cut the discussion on the 
>> paper pretty short: the "paper" that Michael Wachtler put on research 
>> gate and/or his private homepage are pdfs written, layout and created 
>> by him. The "journal" Dolomythos does formally not exist, it is just 
>> his creation, the ISSN number is fiction, never deposited in the main 
>> institutions as requested by the Italian lay. The pdfs he creates and 
>> put online exist in several versions (depending when you download it) 
>> not numbered as such where he changes continuously the names and some 
>> formally relevant information on localities, holotypes, way of 
>> writing of the names and thus are illegitimate considering the code. 
>> He prints later the pdfs also as "books" and sells them, remodifying 
>> again the "papers" and changing some scientifically and formally 
>> relevant parts as well. Thus, from a formal point of view these 
>> "papers" do not exist. We had an inquiry on that to the commission of the code.
>>
>> Moreover there have been several legal pursuits against this man 
>> since the material has been collected without the relevant permits, 
>> some of his "holotypes" are partly colored and redrawn specimens 
>> and/or even composed of originally different pieces of plant remains 
>> (you can see that when you see the originals). He was convicted by 
>> the Italian law due to several reasons (including illegal detention 
>> of material and manipulation of scientifically putatively important 
>> material). To close a very long story short. Everything that has the 
>> name of this man on and is pre-2010 and not published in generally 
>> well-established papers is a fraud and has not to be considered. Why 
>> pre-2010, because up to that year when the legal action started 
>> against him, he requested to be mentioned as co-author of the papers 
>> of material he had collected in order to give it into official deposits as requested by the Italian law and the Code.
>>
>> Last but not least: Michael Wachtler is a self-made collector, 
>> museum-"director", philosopher of life, author of books, films etc, 
>> if somebody wants so have a look at is homepage. He has no background 
>> studies (not that a degree is necessary to do good science but sometimes helpful).
>> The paper ae not cited by anybody then himself since they do formally 
>> not exist according to the code and cannot even be cited.
>>
>> If anybody is in need of more information, he can contact me directly 
>> on my mail-address. I was, unfortunately, involved in all of this in 
>> the last
>> 25 years and are the official representative paleontologist for the 
>> ministry and the SPI (Italian paleontological society) of the region 
>> of Italy.
>>
>> With kind regards,
>> Evelyn Kustatscher
>>
>>
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