Taxacom: Subspecies PROBABLY described

Wed Feb 23 23:57:38 CST 2022

Thanks, Rich, Doug, Francisco!

I was inclined to revive this name according to Art. 16.4.1, but I was not
sure how important is the formulation "perhaps", instead of a clear
statement. I see that it is at least important.

Cheers,
Mikhail

On Thu, 24 Feb 2022, 06:04 Richard Pyle, <deepreef at bishopmuseum.org> wrote:

> I'm inclined to agree with Doug and Francisco that this name *could* be
> considered unavailable under Art. 15.1.  On the other hand, one *could*
> also argue that the "n.ssp." over-rides any potential of "stated
> reservations" due to some interpretation of "vozmozhno".
>
> My general approach to ambiguities in the Code (i.e., cases where the
> application of the Code could be plausibly argued in more than one way) is:
> 1) When in doubt, do whatever promotes stability of nomenclature.
> 2) When in doubt *and* stability of nomenclature is not an issue, then
> assume a name is available unless clearly recognized as otherwise.
>
> In this case, it seems to me that #1 favors treating the name as
> unavailable due to Art 15.1.
>
> Aloha,
> Rich
>
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at lists.ku.edu> On Behalf Of Mikhail
> Daneliya
> > via Taxacom
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2022 10:30 AM
> > To: Douglas Yanega <dyanega at gmail.com>
> > Cc: taxacom at lists.ku.edu
> > Subject: Re: Taxacom: Subspecies PROBABLY described
> >
> > The name has been ignored. This probably helps its unacceptance. I found
> it in
> > papers of a conference, in Russian language (not an abstract, but a full
> paper
> > with descriptions and figures). In fact, maybe more correct word is not
> > "probably", but "perhaps" or "possibly". The Russian word "vozmozhno"
> > is translated either way.
> > The whole phrase is translated as, "Perhaps, the specimens of B.inermis
> from
> > the Peru-Chile Trench form a special subspecies B.i.peruana n.ssp."
> >
> > Thanks to all!
> >
> > Mikhail
> >
> > On Wed, 23 Feb 2022, 21:59 Douglas Yanega via Taxacom,
> > <taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On 2/23/22 10:45 AM, Francisco Welter-Schultes via Taxacom wrote:
> > > > Is "probably" conditional? The Code Glossary defines a "conditional
> > > > proposal" as one with stated reservations. That should do it, for my
> > > > feeling.
> > > >
> > > Specifically:
> > >
> > > *conditional*,/a/.
> > >     (1) Of the proposal of a name or a type fixation: one made with
> > >     stated reservations [Art. 15.1
> > >     <
> > > https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcode
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> > >
> > > We would have to see the exact wording used, I think, but I'm inclined
> > > to not accept names like this - I suppose if it's in a "gray area" it
> > > might be best to just maintain the status quo; that is, if the name
> > > has been universally accepted since its proposal, then treat it as
> > > available, and if it has not been used as valid since its proposal,
> > > then treat it as unavailable.
> > >
> > > Peace,
> > >
> > > --
> > > Doug Yanega      Dept. of Entomology       Entomology Research Museum
> > > Univ. of California, Riverside, CA 92521-0314     skype: dyanega
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