[Taxacom] Capparidaceae [was Correcting higher taxon terminations in botany ( a question of stems)]
dipteryx at freeler.nl
dipteryx at freeler.nl
Mon Jul 26 04:57:52 CDT 2021
I assume that what Stearn said in Botanical Latin
is relevant here, and that the genitive "rachis" is
preferable to "rachidis".
Paul
> Op 26-07-2021 11:18 schreef Michael Heads <m.j.heads at gmail.com>:
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> Thanks Paul, interesting. Bullock just says: 'There seems to be no justification for the form "Haloragidaceae"', but what's the difference between Haloragis (transcribed Greek) and Capparis, Iris, Orchis etc.?
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> On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 8:30 PM dipteryx--- via Taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu mailto:taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu > wrote:
>
> > > I have looked it up; this change was explained by
> >
> > “Very few names are presented in a form different
> > from common usage; the subcommittee could not
> > avoid introducing these names, since Art. 18 of the
> > Code prescribes that a name of a family is formed
> > by adding the suffix -aceae to the stem of a legitimate
> > name of an included genus; thus Balanopaceae (instead
> > of Balanopsidaceae), Bataceae (instead of Batidaceae)
> > and, Capparaceae (instead of Capparidaceae) ...”
> >
> > (Report of the Subcommittee for Family Names of the
> > Committee for Spermatophyta, Regnum Veg. 44: 64. 1966)
> >
> > This explains the changed spelling as required by the then
> > Art. 18, formed from the “stem” of the generic name. This
> > concept of a “stem of the generic name” was abandoned in
> > the 1988, Berlin Code, as being ambiguous.
> >
> > Since conservation exists for the purpose of protecting
> > names from rules which would result in disrupting
> > nomenclatural reality, the subcommittee seems to have
> > have failed in its basic mission as concerns
> > Balanopsidaceae, Batidaceae, and Capparidaceae.
> >
> > Haloragaceae is a different matter: the initial report by
> > Bullock (Taxon, 8: 175. 1959) states: There seems to be
> > no justification for the form "Haloragidaceae", so this was
> > never in the running.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > > Op 26-07-2021 09:00 schreef dipteryx--- via Taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu mailto:taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu >:
> > >
> > >
> > > I am not sure about the reason, but I do know that
> > > some people were very upset about this. A minor
> > > scandal at the time.
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > > Op 26-07-2021 07:33 schreef Michael Heads via Taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu mailto:taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu >:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > To form the family name in botany, the 'stem' of the noun (i.e. the
> > > > genitive form of the noun without the inflected ending) is used (whether
> > > > Latin or Greek), and 'aceae' is added (Article 18:1). Thelypteridaceae,
> > > > Iridaceae, Orchidaceae, Amaryllidaceae, Oxalidaceae etc. (Greek stems) all
> > > > follow the rule, likewise Plumbaginaceae (not Plumbagaceae) (the stem in
> > > > this case is Latin).
> > > > The old names Capparidaceae and Haloragidaceae followed the rule. But the
> > > > new, shortened names, Capparaceae and Haloragaceae, have been conserved for
> > > > some reason. Does anyone know why?. .
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 10:17 AM Tony Rees via Taxacom <
> > > > taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu mailto:taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Paul Kirk wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Scleroderma is not a plant ...
> > > > >
> > > > > Point taken, but the same rules apply...
> > > > > BTW, is Mycology a part of Botany these days? Or maybe, Botany does not
> > > > > exist... in my alma mater, it became "Plant Sciences" over the time that I
> > > > > was there. Probably (almost certainly) something else now ("evolutionary
> > > > > biology" or similar) :)
> > > > >
> > > > > - Tony
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Paul Kirk
> > > > > > Sent: 25 July 2021 22:39
> > > > > > To: Kenneth Kinman <kinman at hotmail.com mailto:kinman at hotmail.com >
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [Taxacom] Correcting higher taxon terminations in botany ( a
> > > > > > question of stems)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Scleroderma is not a plant ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Paul
> > > > > > (Mycologist)
> > > > > >
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> Biogeography and evolution in New Zealand. Taylor and Francis/CRC, Boca Raton FL. 2017. https://www.routledge.com/Biogeography-and-Evolution-in-New-Zealand/Heads/p/book/9781498751872
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> Biogeography of Australasia: A molecular analysis. Cambridge University Press, Cambridge. 2014. www.cambridge.org/9781107041028 http://www.cambridge.org/9781107041028
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> Molecular panbiogeography of the tropics. University of California Press, Berkeley. 2012. www.ucpress.edu/book.php?isbn=9780520271968 http://www.ucpress.edu/book.php?isbn=9780520271968
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