[Taxacom] a question about diagnosing species-group taxa

Mon Apr 5 06:35:53 CDT 2021

Hi Jeremy,What is the difference, then, between what you described as behavioural traits and morphological traits?Thank you.Best,LuisLuis Popa, Ph.D.General Director "Grigore Antipa" National Museum of Natural History Sos. Kiseleff No. 1Bucharest  011341
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-------- Original message --------From: Jeremy Bruhl via Taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> Date: 05/04/2021  13:38  (GMT+02:00) To: igor pavlinov <ipvl2008 at mail.ru> Cc: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu Subject: Re: [Taxacom] a question about diagnosing species-group taxa No, if behavioural traits are functions/features of the organisim, as shape, height, colour may be. Mind you, I generally don't deal with behaviour traits, as a botanist, but I am sure some ornithologist might like to chirp in with their favourite behavioural character.CheersJeremy--------------------------Emeritus Professor Jeremy BruhlDirector, N.C.W. Beadle Herbarium (NE)     CITES Australian Reg. No. AU 015      orcid.org/0000-0001-9112-4436<https://orcid.org/0000-0001-9112-4436>Mail: Botany (S02), University of New England, Armidale NSW 2351 AustraliaVoice +61 2 6773 2429 | jbruhl at une.edu.au<mailto:jbruhl at une.edu.au> | www.une.edu.au<http://www.une.edu.au/> |University of New England CRICOS Provider Number 00003G----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------________________________________From: igor pavlinov <ipvl2008 at mail.ru>Sent: Monday, 5 April 2021 8:23 PMTo: Jeremy Bruhl <jbruhl at une.edu.au>Cc: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>Subject: Re[2]: [Taxacom] a question about diagnosing species-group taxaYes, Jeremy, but don’t the «behavious» mentioned by you correspond to the «ethological traits» mentioned by me?Cheers- - -Igor Ya. Pavlinov, DrSZoological Museum of Lomonosov Moscow State Universityul. Bol'shaya Nikitskaya 6125009 MoscowRussiahttp://zmmu.msu.ru/personal/pavlinov/pavlinov1.htm<https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fzmmu.msu.ru%2Fpersonal%2Fpavlinov%2Fpavlinov1.htm&data=04%7C01%7Cjbruhl%40une.edu.au%7Ccec425ab330048b01bc408d8f81ceadd%7C3e104c4f8ef24d1483d8bd7d3b46b8db%7C0%7C0%7C637532151090821836%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=RXIoQia68x5CYV5tvL3qG2mkhir5ETvMJ7O1qHPgzZQ%3D&reserved=0>http://zmmu.msu.ru/personal/pavlinov/pavlinov_eng1.htmПонедельник, 5 апреля 2021, 13:06 +03:00 от Jeremy Bruhl <jbruhl at une.edu.au>:Dear IgorIf you mean formal diagnosis under the ICN or Zoo code, then I hope not, as taxa should be diagnosed on intrinsic features (e.g. morphology, anatomy, behavious, molecules, etc.) and not on extrinsic features (ecology, geology, geography).CheersJeremy--------------------------Emeritus Professor Jeremy BruhlDirector, N.C.W. 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No. AU 015      orcid.org/0000-0001-9112-4436<https://orcid.org/0000-0001-9112-4436>Mail: Botany (S02), University of New England, Armidale NSW 2351 AustraliaVoice +61 2 6773 2429 | jbruhl at une.edu.au<https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fe.mail.ru%2Fcompose%2F%3Fmailto%3Dmailto%253ajbruhl%40une.edu.au&data=04%7C01%7Cjbruhl%40une.edu.au%7Ccec425ab330048b01bc408d8f81ceadd%7C3e104c4f8ef24d1483d8bd7d3b46b8db%7C0%7C0%7C637532151090831832%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=Avit%2F3ofPeHC0rFf8bHBbna8S6J8%2BPfGe5dy1zFKC40%3D&reserved=0> | www.une.edu.au<http://www.une.edu.au/> |University of New England CRICOS Provider Number 00003G----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------________________________________From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu</compose?To=taxacom%2dbounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>> on behalf of igor pavlinov via Taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu</compose?To=taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>>Sent: Monday, 5 April 2021 8:01 PMTo: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu</compose?To=taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu</compose?To=taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>>Subject: [Taxacom] a question about diagnosing species-group taxaDear taxacomers.does any one of you know the case(s) of the diagnosing of a newly described species-group taxon based on the ethological traits?This issue seems to concern current debates about descriptions of new taxa based on the photos of the life animals (e.g.,   https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdoi.org%2F10.11646%2Fbionomina.12.1&data=04%7C01%7Cjbruhl%40une.edu.au%7C63963b6a8095430adc5008d8f819cd63%7C3e104c4f8ef24d1483d8bd7d3b46b8db%7C0%7C0%7C637532137024808032%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=VwV%2FsAlYPisTnkAwWqzRkOakmTp5QoUdFvUwYCtn3DQ%3D&reserved=0<https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdoi.org%2F10.11646%2Fbionomina.12.1&data=04%7C01%7Cjbruhl%40une.edu.au%7Ccec425ab330048b01bc408d8f81ceadd%7C3e104c4f8ef24d1483d8bd7d3b46b8db%7C0%7C0%7C637532151090841827%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=GyS7pS4VxYBNWMrCM85AZgA0Lfm8fyMGUvrGEkL548Y%3D&reserved=0> ) .Any relevant reference(s) would be highly appreciated.Cheers,Igor- - -Igor Ya. 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