[Taxacom] a question about diagnosing species-group taxa

Mon Apr 5 06:39:31 CDT 2021

Without much thought (I really have to focus on an MS), Luis,

morphology=form
behaviour=action

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Jeremy
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Subject: Re: [Taxacom] a question about diagnosing species-group taxa

Hi Jeremy,
What is the difference, then, between what you described as behavioural traits and morphological traits?
Thank you.
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Luis

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Subject: Re: [Taxacom] a question about diagnosing species-group taxa

No, if behavioural traits are functions/features of the organisim, as shape, height, colour may be. Mind you, I generally don't deal with behaviour traits, as a botanist, but I am sure some ornithologist might like to chirp in with their favourite behavioural character.

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Subject: Re[2]: [Taxacom] a question about diagnosing species-group taxa

Yes, Jeremy, but don’t the «behavious» mentioned by you correspond to the «ethological traits» mentioned by me?

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Понедельник, 5 апреля 2021, 13:06 +03:00 от Jeremy Bruhl <jbruhl at une.edu.au>:

Dear Igor

If you mean formal diagnosis under the ICN or Zoo code, then I hope not, as taxa should be diagnosed on intrinsic features (e.g. morphology, anatomy, behavious, molecules, etc.) and not on extrinsic features (ecology, geology, geography).

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Subject: [Taxacom] a question about diagnosing species-group taxa

Dear taxacomers.

does any one of you know the case(s) of the diagnosing of a newly described species-group taxon based on the ethological traits?

This issue seems to concern current debates about descriptions of new taxa based on the photos of the life animals (e.g.,   https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdoi.org%2F10.11646%2Fbionomina.12.1&data=04%7C01%7Cjbruhl%40une.edu.au%7C63963b6a8095430adc5008d8f819cd63%7C3e104c4f8ef24d1483d8bd7d3b46b8db%7C0%7C0%7C637532137024808032%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=VwV%2FsAlYPisTnkAwWqzRkOakmTp5QoUdFvUwYCtn3DQ%3D&reserved=0<https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdoi.org%2F10.11646%2Fbionomina.12.1&data=04%7C01%7Cjbruhl%40une.edu.au%7Ccec425ab330048b01bc408d8f81ceadd%7C3e104c4f8ef24d1483d8bd7d3b46b8db%7C0%7C0%7C637532151090841827%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=GyS7pS4VxYBNWMrCM85AZgA0Lfm8fyMGUvrGEkL548Y%3D&reserved=0> ) .

Any relevant reference(s) would be highly appreciated.

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Igor

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