[Taxacom] a question about diagnosing species-group taxa

Mon Apr 5 06:13:49 CDT 2021

Igor,

 >does any one of you know the case(s) of the diagnosing of a newly 
described species-group taxon based on the ethological traits?

I described a new species of bird, the nightjar Caprimulgus meesi, on 
the basis of multiple diagnostic differences in vocalizations and the 
results of playback tests. Vocalizations play an important role in avian 
taxonomy, especially in cryptic species of nightbirds.

Sangster, G & Rozendaal, FG 2004. Systematic notes on Asian birds. 41. 
Territorial songs and species-level taxonomy of nightjars of the 
/Caprimulgus macrurus /complex, with the description of a new species. 
Zoologische Verhandelingen, Leiden 350: 7-45.
https://repository.naturalis.nl/pub/215553/ZV350_007-046.pdf

To my knowledge, this description and the validity of the name were not 
controversial. The species is universally accepted.

Cheers,

Dr George Sangster
Naturalis Biodiversity Center,
Darwinweg 2,
PO Box 9517,
2300 RA Leiden,
The Netherlands
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/George_Sangster

Op 5-4-2021 om 12:38 schreef Jeremy Bruhl via Taxacom:
> No, if behavioural traits are functions/features of the organisim, as shape, height, colour may be. Mind you, I generally don't deal with behaviour traits, as a botanist, but I am sure some ornithologist might like to chirp in with their favourite behavioural character.
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> Yes, Jeremy, but don’t the «behavious» mentioned by you correspond to the «ethological traits» mentioned by me?
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> Понедельник, 5 апреля 2021, 13:06 +03:00 от Jeremy Bruhl <jbruhl at une.edu.au>:
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> Dear Igor
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> If you mean formal diagnosis under the ICN or Zoo code, then I hope not, as taxa should be diagnosed on intrinsic features (e.g. morphology, anatomy, behavious, molecules, etc.) and not on extrinsic features (ecology, geology, geography).
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> Dear taxacomers.
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> does any one of you know the case(s) of the diagnosing of a newly described species-group taxon based on the ethological traits?
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> This issue seems to concern current debates about descriptions of new taxa based on the photos of the life animals (e.g.,   https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdoi.org%2F10.11646%2Fbionomina.12.1&data=04%7C01%7Cjbruhl%40une.edu.au%7C63963b6a8095430adc5008d8f819cd63%7C3e104c4f8ef24d1483d8bd7d3b46b8db%7C0%7C0%7C637532137024808032%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=VwV%2FsAlYPisTnkAwWqzRkOakmTp5QoUdFvUwYCtn3DQ%3D&reserved=0<https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdoi.org%2F10.11646%2Fbionomina.12.1&data=04%7C01%7Cjbruhl%40une.edu.au%7Ccec425ab330048b01bc408d8f81ceadd%7C3e104c4f8ef24d1483d8bd7d3b46b8db%7C0%7C0%7C637532151090841827%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=GyS7pS4VxYBNWMrCM85AZgA0Lfm8fyMGUvrGEkL548Y%3D&reserved=0> ) .
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> Any relevant reference(s) would be highly appreciated.
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> Cheers,
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> Igor
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> Igor Ya. Pavlinov, DrS
> Zoological Museum of Lomonosov Moscow State University
> ul. Bol'shaya Nikitskaya 6
> 125009 Moscow
> Russia
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