[Taxacom] a question about diagnosing species-group taxa

Mon Apr 5 06:02:22 CDT 2021

Well, bioacustic characteristics (songs etc.) of birds, crickets, etc. are both «intrinsic» and «behavioral».

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Igor Ya. Pavlinov, DrS
Zoological Museum of Lomonosov Moscow State University
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Russia
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>Понедельник, 5 апреля 2021, 13:39 +03:00 от Jeremy Bruhl <jbruhl at une.edu.au>:
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>No, if behavioural traits are functions/features of the organisim, as shape, height, colour may be. Mind you, I generally don't deal with behaviour traits, as a botanist, but I am sure some ornithologist might like to chirp in with their favourite behavioural character.
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>Cheers
>Jeremy
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>Yes, Jeremy, but don’t the « behavious » mentioned by you correspond to the « ethological traits » mentioned by me?
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>Zoological Museum of Lomonosov Moscow State University
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>Russia
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>>Понедельник, 5 апреля 2021, 13:06 +03:00 от Jeremy Bruhl < jbruhl at une.edu.au >:
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>>Dear Igor
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>>If you mean formal diagnosis under the ICN or Zoo code, then I hope not, as taxa should be diagnosed on intrinsic features (e.g. morphology, anatomy, behavious, molecules, etc.) and not on extrinsic features (ecology, geology, geography).
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>>Cheers
>>Jeremy
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>>Subject: [Taxacom] a question about diagnosing species-group taxa
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>>Dear taxacomers.
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>>does any one of you know the case(s) of the diagnosing of a newly described species-group taxon based on the ethological traits?
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>>This issue seems to concern current debates about descriptions of new taxa based on the photos of the life animals (e.g.,    https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdoi.org%2F10.11646%2Fbionomina.12.1&data=04%7C01%7Cjbruhl%40une.edu.au%7C63963b6a8095430adc5008d8f819cd63%7C3e104c4f8ef24d1483d8bd7d3b46b8db%7C0%7C0%7C637532137024808032%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=VwV%2FsAlYPisTnkAwWqzRkOakmTp5QoUdFvUwYCtn3DQ%3D&reserved=0 ) .
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>>Any relevant reference(s) would be highly appreciated.
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>>Cheers,
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>>Igor
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>>ul. Bol'shaya Nikitskaya 6
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