[Taxacom] Tricladia homonomy?

Fri Jul 31 11:05:35 CDT 2020

OK. Great to know someone can look into that. I am not worried as it does
not affect the hepialid name.

John

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 11:43 AM John Noyes <j.noyes at nhm.ac.uk> wrote:

> Hi John and Mike,
>
> Thanks for this and related e-mails. Speaking personally I was completely
> unaware hat there was a homonym here. It certainly looks as though the lep
> name has priority. Luckily the Turks who are mad on checking for homonyms
> and proposing idiotic replacement names did not turn up these homonyms when
> they published their papers several years ago. In my view I do not think a
> replacement name is necessary because there is a very good chance that
> Tricladia Mercet, 1918 is a synonym of Paracopidosoma Hoffer. Unfortunately
> I currently do not have access to the specimens or literature to check this
> up because I am not allowed into the NHM. I can check this when I get a
> chance.
>
> John
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> *From:* Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> on behalf of John
> Grehan via Taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> *Sent:* 31 July 2020 15:29
> *To:* Mike Sadka <mike.sadka at nhm.ac.uk>
> *Cc:* taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [Taxacom] Tricladia homonomy?
>
> Thanks Mike. Yes, I saw those listings. I found a Gary Gibson with a
> chalcid page on the Canadian National Collection site and sent an inquiry,
> but received notification that he is out of the office due to COVID-19 and
> only in intermittent contact, but could be reached at his private email
> address - but did not give that. If anyone knows that would help.
>
> John
>
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 10:17 AM Mike Sadka via Taxacom <
> taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:
>
> > Hi John
> >
> > The Universal Chalchidoidea database still lists it as a valid name:
> >
> > Genus Tricladia:
> >
> >
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> > and
> >
> > Only one species (humilis):
> >
> >
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> >
> > Cheerio, Mike
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> On Behalf Of Kenneth
> > Kinman via Taxacom
> > Sent: 31 July 2020 15:10
> > To: John Grehan <calabar.john at gmail.com>; taxacom <
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> > Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Tricladia homonomy?
> >
> > Hi John,
> >       Even the National Museum of Natural History still lists the wasps
> as
> > Tricladia humilis.  The following listing gives e-mails for contacting
> them:
> >
> >
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> > Grehan via Taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 8:47 AM
> > To: Fernando Ángel Fernández-Álvarez <f.a.fernandez.alvarez at gmail.com>
> > Cc: taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> > Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Tricladia homonomy?
> >
> > Yes. It appears that the hepialid name has priority. I guess I was
> > wondering if this has been addressed within the chalcid taxonomic
> > community. I guess I could do a search for chalcid specialists and
> contact
> > someone, but first I thought there might be someone in this field on
> > Taxacom.
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 9:05 AM Fernando Ángel Fernández-Álvarez <
> > f.a.fernandez.alvarez at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi John,
> > >
> > > Did you check if the International Code of Zoological Nomenclature
> > > Articles Article 23.9.1.2. and and 32.2 apply in that case? Just an
> > > idea of what might happen, but in not sure if that´s can be since they
> > > apply for synonymized names.
> > >
> > > Hope this helps rather than confuses.
> > >
> > > Best wishes,
> > >
> > > Fernando.
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> > > El vie., 31 jul. 2020 a las 13:05, John Grehan via Taxacom (<
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> > >
> > >> Some colleagues recently drew my attention to the following
> > >>
> > >> Tricladia Mercet, 1918 (Hynenoptera: Encyrtidae)
> > >>
> > >> Tricladia C. & R. Felder, 1874 (Lepidoptera: Hepialidae)
> > >>
> > >> A Natural History Museum (UK) web page
> > >>
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> > >> CIES%3D%26VALAUTHOR%3DMercet%26VALDATE%3D1918%26ValidAuthBracket%3Dfa
> > >> lse%26HOMCODE%3D0%26%26listPageURL%3DlistChalcids.dsml%253FFamily%253
> > >> DEncyrtidae%2526amp%253BSuperfamily%253DChalcidoidea%2526amp%253BGenu
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> > >> lists
> > >> the wasp name as valid, but it would appear not to be the case.
> > >> Anyone here who may be able to comment further?
> > >>
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