[Taxacom] Dishonorable people as species names

[Ivie, Michael]

He asserts it as a fact. I challenged the assertion. You have nothing to contribute to that discussion.


On 11/11/2019 12:36 AM, John Grehan wrote:
To repeat, I said it was conceivable. I did not assert that it has happened. Perhaps someone will have actual evidence, but a lack of evidence would not indicate anything either way.

John Grehan


On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 2:32 AM Ivie, Michael <mivie at montana.edu<mailto:mivie at montana.edu>> wrote:

Show me any actual evidence that there has been any such detriment to science.  Any actual negative impact on the process of science, or even something as peripheral as a reduction in funding.

On 11/11/2019 12:27 AM, John Grehan wrote:
My point is that others in the general public and in the media would not distinguish between the non-science of naming choices and the science of taxonomy so it is conceivable that some choices may be perceived in such a way as to be potentially, if not actually, detrimental to the science of taxonomy.

John Grehan

On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 2:26 AM Ivie, Michael <mivie at montana.edu<mailto:mivie at montana.edu>> wrote:

I would hope you both would know what is and is not science.  The quote is puffery.

On 11/11/2019 12:22 AM, John Grehan wrote:
Not to presume on what Geoff intends, I got the impression that while naming is not science, naming choices can be perceived as part of the science of taxonomy (by media, public etc) and therefore be detrimental in terms of how taxonomy is perceived - not that there is necessarily anything one can do about it.

John Grehan

On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 2:11 AM Ivie, Michael via Taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu<mailto:taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>> wrote:
I defy you to defend this statement:

On 11/11/2019 12:03 AM, Geoff Read via Taxacom wrote:
> to the detriment of any science.

Naming isn't science, and names do not contribute to nor act to the
detriment of science. Get real.  Don't try to defend your position with
such absurdities.

Stick to reality -- you don't like it, you think it is undignified, or
whatever, but "to the detriment of any science?" Pure hyperbole.

Mike

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NOTE: two addresses with different Zip Codes depending on carriers

US Post Office Address:
Montana Entomology Collection
Marsh Labs, Room 50
PO Box 173145
Montana State University
Bozeman, MT 59717
USA

UPS, FedEx, DHL Address:
Montana Entomology Collection
Marsh Labs, Room 50
1911 West Lincoln Street
Montana State University
Bozeman, MT 59718
USA


(406) 994-4610 (voice)
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mivie at montana.edu<mailto:mivie at montana.edu>


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Michael A. Ivie, Ph.D., F.R.E.S.

NOTE: two addresses with different Zip Codes depending on carriers

US Post Office Address:
Montana Entomology Collection
Marsh Labs, Room 50
PO Box 173145
Montana State University
Bozeman, MT 59717
USA

UPS, FedEx, DHL Address:
Montana Entomology Collection
Marsh Labs, Room 50
1911 West Lincoln Street
Montana State University
Bozeman, MT 59718
USA


(406) 994-4610 (voice)
(406) 994-6029 (FAX)
mivie at montana.edu<mailto:mivie at montana.edu>