[Taxacom] Dishonorable people as species names

[John Grehan]

To repeat, I said it was conceivable. I did not assert that it has
happened. Perhaps someone will have actual evidence, but a lack of
evidence would not indicate anything either way.

John Grehan


On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 2:32 AM Ivie, Michael <mivie at montana.edu> wrote:

> Show me any actual evidence that there has been any such detriment to
> science.  Any actual negative impact on the process of science, or even
> something as peripheral as a reduction in funding.
> On 11/11/2019 12:27 AM, John Grehan wrote:
>
> My point is that others in the general public and in the media would not
> distinguish between the non-science of naming choices and the science of
> taxonomy so it is conceivable that some choices may be perceived in such a
> way as to be potentially, if not actually, detrimental to the science of
> taxonomy.
>
> John Grehan
>
> On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 2:26 AM Ivie, Michael <mivie at montana.edu> wrote:
>
>> I would hope you both would know what is and is not science.  The quote
>> is puffery.
>> On 11/11/2019 12:22 AM, John Grehan wrote:
>>
>> Not to presume on what Geoff intends, I got the impression that while
>> naming is not science, naming choices can be perceived as part of the
>> science of taxonomy (by media, public etc) and therefore be detrimental in
>> terms of how taxonomy is perceived - not that there is necessarily anything
>> one can do about it.
>>
>> John Grehan
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 2:11 AM Ivie, Michael via Taxacom <
>> taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> I defy you to defend this statement:
>>>
>>> On 11/11/2019 12:03 AM, Geoff Read via Taxacom wrote:
>>> > to the detriment of any science.
>>>
>>> Naming isn't science, and names do not contribute to nor act to the
>>> detriment of science. Get real.  Don't try to defend your position with
>>> such absurdities.
>>>
>>> Stick to reality -- you don't like it, you think it is undignified, or
>>> whatever, but "to the detriment of any science?" Pure hyperbole.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
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>> Michael A. Ivie, Ph.D., F.R.E.S.
>>
>> NOTE: two addresses with different Zip Codes depending on carriers
>>
>> US Post Office Address:
>> Montana Entomology Collection
>> Marsh Labs, Room 50
>> PO Box 173145
>> Montana State University
>> Bozeman, MT 59717
>> USA
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>> Montana Entomology Collection
>> Marsh Labs, Room 50
>> 1911 West Lincoln Street
>> Montana State University
>> Bozeman, MT 59718
>> USA
>>
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> __________________________________________________
>
> Michael A. Ivie, Ph.D., F.R.E.S.
>
> NOTE: two addresses with different Zip Codes depending on carriers
>
> US Post Office Address:
> Montana Entomology Collection
> Marsh Labs, Room 50
> PO Box 173145
> Montana State University
> Bozeman, MT 59717
> USA
>
> UPS, FedEx, DHL Address:
> Montana Entomology Collection
> Marsh Labs, Room 50
> 1911 West Lincoln Street
> Montana State University
> Bozeman, MT 59718
> USA
>
>
> (406) 994-4610 (voice)
> (406) 994-6029 (FAX)mivie at montana.edu
>
>