[Taxacom] Dishonorable people as species names

[John Grehan]

Whatever.

On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 2:40 AM Ivie, Michael <mivie at montana.edu> wrote:

> He asserts it as a fact. I challenged the assertion. You have nothing to
> contribute to that discussion.
>
>
> On 11/11/2019 12:36 AM, John Grehan wrote:
>
> To repeat, I said it was conceivable. I did not assert that it has
> happened. Perhaps someone will have actual evidence, but a lack of
> evidence would not indicate anything either way.
>
> John Grehan
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 2:32 AM Ivie, Michael <mivie at montana.edu> wrote:
>
>> Show me any actual evidence that there has been any such detriment to
>> science.  Any actual negative impact on the process of science, or even
>> something as peripheral as a reduction in funding.
>> On 11/11/2019 12:27 AM, John Grehan wrote:
>>
>> My point is that others in the general public and in the media would not
>> distinguish between the non-science of naming choices and the science of
>> taxonomy so it is conceivable that some choices may be perceived in such a
>> way as to be potentially, if not actually, detrimental to the science of
>> taxonomy.
>>
>> John Grehan
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 2:26 AM Ivie, Michael <mivie at montana.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> I would hope you both would know what is and is not science.  The quote
>>> is puffery.
>>> On 11/11/2019 12:22 AM, John Grehan wrote:
>>>
>>> Not to presume on what Geoff intends, I got the impression that while
>>> naming is not science, naming choices can be perceived as part of the
>>> science of taxonomy (by media, public etc) and therefore be detrimental in
>>> terms of how taxonomy is perceived - not that there is necessarily anything
>>> one can do about it.
>>>
>>> John Grehan
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 2:11 AM Ivie, Michael via Taxacom <
>>> taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I defy you to defend this statement:
>>>>
>>>> On 11/11/2019 12:03 AM, Geoff Read via Taxacom wrote:
>>>> > to the detriment of any science.
>>>>
>>>> Naming isn't science, and names do not contribute to nor act to the
>>>> detriment of science. Get real.  Don't try to defend your position with
>>>> such absurdities.
>>>>
>>>> Stick to reality -- you don't like it, you think it is undignified, or
>>>> whatever, but "to the detriment of any science?" Pure hyperbole.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
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>>> Michael A. Ivie, Ph.D., F.R.E.S.
>>>
>>> NOTE: two addresses with different Zip Codes depending on carriers
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>>> US Post Office Address:
>>> Montana Entomology Collection
>>> Marsh Labs, Room 50
>>> PO Box 173145
>>> Montana State University
>>> Bozeman, MT 59717
>>> USA
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>>> Marsh Labs, Room 50
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>> __________________________________________________
>>
>> Michael A. Ivie, Ph.D., F.R.E.S.
>>
>> NOTE: two addresses with different Zip Codes depending on carriers
>>
>> US Post Office Address:
>> Montana Entomology Collection
>> Marsh Labs, Room 50
>> PO Box 173145
>> Montana State University
>> Bozeman, MT 59717
>> USA
>>
>> UPS, FedEx, DHL Address:
>> Montana Entomology Collection
>> Marsh Labs, Room 50
>> 1911 West Lincoln Street
>> Montana State University
>> Bozeman, MT 59718
>> USA
>>
>>
>> (406) 994-4610 (voice)
>> (406) 994-6029 (FAX)mivie at montana.edu
>>
>> --
> __________________________________________________
>
> Michael A. Ivie, Ph.D., F.R.E.S.
>
> NOTE: two addresses with different Zip Codes depending on carriers
>
> US Post Office Address:
> Montana Entomology Collection
> Marsh Labs, Room 50
> PO Box 173145
> Montana State University
> Bozeman, MT 59717
> USA
>
> UPS, FedEx, DHL Address:
> Montana Entomology Collection
> Marsh Labs, Room 50
> 1911 West Lincoln Street
> Montana State University
> Bozeman, MT 59718
> USA
>
>
> (406) 994-4610 (voice)
> (406) 994-6029 (FAX)mivie at montana.edu
>
>