[Taxacom] holotype designation

Sat Apr 13 17:43:26 CDT 2019

Dear Francisco:

 This would be the mid 1800. So really early work.

Cheers
Sergio

On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 11:39 PM Francisco Welter-Schultes <fwelter at gwdg.de>
wrote:

> Dear Sergio,
> this depends on the date of publication. Which epoch would you have in
> mind?
>
> Cheers
> Francisco
>
> -----
> Francisco Welter-Schultes
>
> Am 14.04.2019 um 00:13 schrieb Sergio Henriques:
> > Hi again, following up from this interesting discussion:
> >
> > If a holotype is not fixed in the original designation and there are
> > several specimens mentioned (eg. *Genus species* n.sp;  habitat: Southern
> > Italy, Dalmatia, Crimea and Serbia).
> > Are all specimens considered equal syntypes?
> >
> > I say equal, because I am particularly interested in what happens if the
> > specimens represents three species, one previously described and two
> > distinct undescribed species.
> > Which region/specimen would have priority in bearing the name and why?
> >
> > All the best
> > Sergio Henriques
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 9:06 PM John Grehan <calabar.john at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks again to everyone for the continued feedback. It seems that there
> >> are contingencies for even the seemingly most simple questions, but
> glad to
> >> have some clarity.
> >>
> >> John Grehan
> >>
> >> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 4:56 PM Rosenberg,Gary <
> rosenberg.ansp at drexel.edu>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> John,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I consider the example from Tindale (1958) to be a holotype by
> monotypy.
> >>> We can’t tell that Tindale meant “holotype” by “type, a male, unique”
> >>> without reference to other species described in that work. If we
> >> broadened
> >>> the meaning of “equivalent expression” to include such cases (where it
> is
> >>> known that there was only a single type specimen), then there is no
> >>> situation where Article 73.1.2 would apply.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Best wishes,
> >>>
> >>> Gary
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *From:* John Grehan <calabar.john at gmail.com>
> >>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 28, 2019 12:45 PM
> >>> *To:* Rosenberg,Gary <rosenberg.ansp at drexel.edu>
> >>> *Cc:* Francisco Welter-Schultes <fwelter at gwdg.de>; taxacom <
> >>> taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [Taxacom] holotype designation
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Gary, your inference about Tindale is correct - although 1958 in this
> >> case
> >>> and the context is the same as you gave. For example for E. salvazi the
> >>> full quote(and placed in a separate paragraph) is "Loc. Laos: Thado, 6
> >>> June, 1915, R. Vitalis de Salvaza (type a male, unique, in Cornell
> >>> University Collection, lot 841)." So am I correct to understand that
> this
> >>> is "by original designation" rather than "by monotypy"?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> John Grehan
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 11:59 AM Rosenberg,Gary <
> >> rosenberg.ansp at drexel.edu>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi John,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The governing text of the Code is in Article 73.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 73.1.1. If an author when establishing a new nominal species-group
> taxon
> >>> states in the original publication that one specimen, and only one, is
> >> the
> >>> holotype, or "the type", or uses some equivalent expression, that
> >> specimen
> >>> is the holotype fixed by original designation.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 73.1.2. If the nominal species-group taxon is based on a single
> specimen,
> >>> either so stated or implied in the original publication, that specimen
> is
> >>> the holotype fixed by monotypy (see Recommendation 73F)....
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  From the information provided, the specimen is the holotype, but one
> >> can't
> >>> judge if it is holotype by monotypy or holotype by original
> designation,
> >>> because we don't know the context. The author might have had an
> >>> introductory section explaining his conventions. Elsewhere in the
> >> treatment
> >>> he might have referred to the specimen as "the type" or mentioned
> >>> paratypes, cotypes or an allotype, which would make it clear that
> "type'
> >>> meant holotype in that particular case. (Referring in the original
> >>> publication to "type and allotype" for a taxon fulfills the requirement
> >> of
> >>> "equivalent expression" to holotype in Article 73.1.1.)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> If none of those avenues let us conclude that the specimen is the
> >> holotype
> >>> by original designation, we are left to parse the phrase you quoted. We
> >>> don't know what followed "unique". The implication is that the author
> >> meant
> >>> "type, a male, unique specimen" but perhaps the text actually said
> >>> something like "type, a male, unique in having red spots".  It seems
> that
> >>> your example comes from Tindale (1941). In the description of
> *Endoclita
> >>> albosignata*, he said “type, a male, unique l. 18942, in S. Aust.
> Museum”
> >>> and in the description of *E. chrysoptera* he said “type, a male,
> unique,
> >>> reared August 3, 1923 from * Machilus edulis* by J. C. M. Gardner; in
> >>> British Musem”. The introduction to his paper does not states
> conventions
> >>> about type terminology. In descriptions of other species he refers to
> >>> “type”, “allotype” and “paratype” (e.g., *Endoclita gmelina*).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> These clearly meet the requirements for holotype by monotypy. The
> >> question
> >>> is whether the knowledge that Tindale referred to “type” and “allotype”
> >> for
> >>> other species described in the same paper means that all his uses of
> >> “type”
> >>> in the paper indicate holotype by original designation. I would say no:
> >> as
> >>> soon as we start using evidence across taxa in a paper, we are making
> >>> inferences. I’ve done a lot of work on type status of material treated
> by
> >>> Henry Pilsbry and he was sometimes not consistent with his terminology
> >>> across species within a paper.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Gary Rosenberg
> >>>
> >>> Academy of Natural Sciences of Philadelphia, Drexel University
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>
> >>> From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> On Behalf Of John
> >>> Grehan
> >>>
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2019 7:16 PM
> >>>
> >>> To: Francisco Welter-Schultes <fwelter at gwdg.de>
> >>>
> >>> Cc: taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> >>>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] holotype designation
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> thanks to everyone for the quick feedback. This is indeed a case where
> a
> >>> single specimen was being described for the species - therefore
> 'unique'.
> >>>
> >>> So I gather that this is pretty good evidence that there is no evidence
> >>> for any further specimens being involved and that the unique specimen
> can
> >>> be referred to as a holotype.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> John Grehan
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 7:09 PM Francisco Welter-Schultes <
> >> fwelter at gwdg.de
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Relevant are Art. 74.5 and 74.6. For the type series, see Art. 72.4.1.
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>> Just saying "type" alone is not necessarily enough for meeting the
> >>>
> >>>> conditions to qualify for a holotype designation. If there is external
> >>>
> >>>> evidence that the author had more specimens at his or her disposal,
> >>>
> >>>> this type would be a syntype.
> >>>
> >>>> I did not really understand the meaning of "unique" in this context.
> >>>
> >>>> Maybe a little more information could help.
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>> Francisco
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>> -----
> >>>
> >>>> Francisco Welter-Schultes
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>> Am 27.03.2019 um 23:46 schrieb John Grehan:
> >>>
> >>>>> I could probably figure this out from the rules of nomenclature, but
> >>>
> >>>>> perhaps someone will know off the cuff as I would like to be sure
> >>>
> >>>>> and
> >>>
> >>>> have
> >>>
> >>>>> the info quickly. If someone in 1958 states "type, a male,
> >>>
> >>>>> unique...…" is that sufficient for the specimen to be referred to as
> >>>
> >>>>> a holotype since it is clear that the type is represented by a single
> >>> specimen?
> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>> Thanks. John Grehan
> >>>
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