[Taxacom] Type species from unavailable genus name
Mikhail Daneliya
mdaneliya at gmail.com
Sun May 13 00:09:51 CDT 2018
Dear colleagues,
What I missed from the code was obviously a possibility of unintentional
validation by monotypy that is done between 1931 and 1999. Let me check
possibilities of some diagnosing with monotypy within this time frame.
Thank you all!
Mikhail
On 13 May 2018 1:39 a.m., "Francisco Welter-Schultes" <fwelter at gwdg.de>
wrote:
> Absolutely, Stephen. I did not intend to oppose to that point.
>
> -----
> Francisco
>
> Am 13.05.2018 um 00:35 schrieb Stephen Thorpe:
>
>> Francisco,
>> Yes, but there are other scenarios, e.g. genus A is validated with a type
>> species which is not congeneric with that of genus B. At any rate, my point
>> was that even if A remains unavailable, it would be a better idea to
>> validate it in preference to proposing B. Otherwise a perfectly good name
>> (A) falls out of the system.
>> Stephen
>> --------------------------------------------
>> On Sun, 13/5/18, Francisco Welter-Schultes <fwelter at gwdg.de> wrote:
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Type species from unavailable genus name
>> To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
>> Received: Sunday, 13 May, 2018, 10:27 AM
>> There are many records in the
>> literature for genus A. If genus A was
>> unavailable from the 1968 paper, the next
>> occasion after 1968 and before
>> 2000 must be
>> found where genus A was mentioned with a short description
>> and with one single species included. This
>> would have made genus A
>> available at that
>> occasion (type fixation by monotypy), with a different
>> author and a slightly later date. And hopefully
>> without a spelling error...
>> Only if all such candidate publications were
>> checked and none was among
>> them that
>> unintentionally made the genus A name available, then a
>> genus
>> B can be established.
>> Cheers
>> Francisco
>> Am
>> 13.05.2018 um 00:16 schrieb Stephen Thorpe:
>> > OK, if that was the question, then I agree
>> with Laurent's answer. I read it as Mikhail intended to
>> propose genus B himself. However, my comment still stands
>> that whoever proposed genus B would have been wiser to
>> validate genus A instead!
>> > Stephen
>> >
>> >
>> --------------------------------------------
>> > On Sat, 12/5/18, Laurent Raty <l.raty at skynet.be>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Type species from unavailable genus
>> name
>> > To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
>> > Received: Saturday, 12 May, 2018, 9:36
>> PM
>> >
>> > Is
>> Mikhail's question really
>> >
>> understood as he meant it...?
>> >
>> Perhaps
>> > I'm the one who is
>> misreading it, but I don't think
>> >
>> the question
>> > was about valid names,
>> or the
>> > intended introduction of any
>> new generic
>> > name. I would understand
>> the question as:
>> >
>> > What is the correct way to
>> > cite the type species of a genus
>> (here,
>> > "genus B", type
>> species fixed by
>> > monotypy -- i.e.,
>> presumably simply
>> > originally
>> included in B as "B
>> >
>> somespecies"), when said type species was
>> > established in combination with a
>> generic name
>> > ("genus A")
>> that was
>> > unavailable...?
>> >
>> > (I would go
>> with "A somespecies
>> >
>> Originalauthor, Year", in agreement with
>> > Rec. 67B. Even though "A" has
>> (or
>> > had) no nomenclatural
>> standing.)
>> >
>> >
>> Cheers, L -
>> >
>> >
>> > On 05/12/2018 12:31 AM, Neal
>> > Evenhuis wrote:
>> >
>> > I searched Google
>> > Scholar and
>> there are over 50,000 hits for "Genus
>> > A", so it has indeed been used
>> quite a bit….
>> > >
>> > > ;-)
>> >
>> >
>> > >
>> >
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>> > > On Stardate 5/11/18, 12:24 PM,
>> > Star-trooper "Taxacom on behalf of
>> Stephen Thorpe"
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>> > on behalf of stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz<mailto:
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>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > The
>> >
>> unavailability of genus A is not fixed forever! The name
>> > should be validated (which effectively
>> means used as new
>> > again) before any
>> alternative new generic names are
>> >
>> introduced for any of the included species!
>> > > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Stephen
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> --------------------------------------------
>> > > On Sat, 12/5/18, Mikhail Daneliya
>> <mdaneliya at gmail.com<mailto:mdaneliya at gmail.com>>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Subject:
>> >
>> [Taxacom] Type species from unavailable genus name
>> > > To: Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu<mailto:Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
>> > > Received: Saturday, 12 May, 2018,
>> 1:40
>> > AM
>> > >
>> Genus A was described for two
>> >
>> species after
>> > > 1931, but type
>> species
>> > was not
>> > > designated. The genus name A is
>> > thus
>> > >
>> unavailable. Despite that more
>> >
>> species
>> > > under genus name A have
>> been
>> > described
>> > > subsequently. One of them
>> > seems to
>> > >
>> be a new genus B, with a type
>> >
>> species
>> > > by monotypy. What is
>> the
>> > correct name
>> > > for the type species? A.
>> > somespecies
>> >
>> > Originalauthor, Year; B.
>> >
>> somespecies
>> > > (Originalauthor,
>> Year); or
>> > else?
>> > > Appreciate your help!
>> > > Mikhail Daneliya
>> > >
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