[Taxacom] Type species from unavailable genus name
Stephen Thorpe
stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
Sat May 12 17:35:34 CDT 2018
Francisco,
Yes, but there are other scenarios, e.g. genus A is validated with a type species which is not congeneric with that of genus B. At any rate, my point was that even if A remains unavailable, it would be a better idea to validate it in preference to proposing B. Otherwise a perfectly good name (A) falls out of the system.
Stephen
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On Sun, 13/5/18, Francisco Welter-Schultes <fwelter at gwdg.de> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Type species from unavailable genus name
To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
Received: Sunday, 13 May, 2018, 10:27 AM
There are many records in the
literature for genus A. If genus A was
unavailable from the 1968 paper, the next
occasion after 1968 and before
2000 must be
found where genus A was mentioned with a short description
and with one single species included. This
would have made genus A
available at that
occasion (type fixation by monotypy), with a different
author and a slightly later date. And hopefully
without a spelling error...
Only if all such candidate publications were
checked and none was among
them that
unintentionally made the genus A name available, then a
genus
B can be established.
Cheers
Francisco
Am
13.05.2018 um 00:16 schrieb Stephen Thorpe:
> OK, if that was the question, then I agree
with Laurent's answer. I read it as Mikhail intended to
propose genus B himself. However, my comment still stands
that whoever proposed genus B would have been wiser to
validate genus A instead!
> Stephen
>
>
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> On Sat, 12/5/18, Laurent Raty <l.raty at skynet.be>
wrote:
>
>
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Type species from unavailable genus
name
> To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> Received: Saturday, 12 May, 2018, 9:36
PM
>
> Is
Mikhail's question really
>
understood as he meant it...?
>
Perhaps
> I'm the one who is
misreading it, but I don't think
>
the question
> was about valid names,
or the
> intended introduction of any
new generic
> name. I would understand
the question as:
>
> What is the correct way to
> cite the type species of a genus
(here,
> "genus B", type
species fixed by
> monotypy -- i.e.,
presumably simply
> originally
included in B as "B
>
somespecies"), when said type species was
> established in combination with a
generic name
> ("genus A")
that was
> unavailable...?
>
> (I would go
with "A somespecies
>
Originalauthor, Year", in agreement with
> Rec. 67B. Even though "A" has
(or
> had) no nomenclatural
standing.)
>
>
Cheers, L -
>
>
> On 05/12/2018 12:31 AM, Neal
> Evenhuis wrote:
>
> I searched Google
> Scholar and
there are over 50,000 hits for "Genus
> A", so it has indeed been used
quite a bit….
> >
> > ;-)
>
>
> >
>
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> > On Stardate 5/11/18, 12:24 PM,
> Star-trooper "Taxacom on behalf of
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> <taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu<mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
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> >
> > The
>
unavailability of genus A is not fixed forever! The name
> should be validated (which effectively
means used as new
> again) before any
alternative new generic names are
>
introduced for any of the included species!
> > Cheers,
>
> Stephen
> >
> >
>
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> > On Sat, 12/5/18, Mikhail Daneliya
<mdaneliya at gmail.com<mailto:mdaneliya at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
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> > Subject:
>
[Taxacom] Type species from unavailable genus name
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> > Received: Saturday, 12 May, 2018,
1:40
> AM
> >
Genus A was described for two
>
species after
> > 1931, but type
species
> was not
> > designated. The genus name A is
> thus
> >
unavailable. Despite that more
>
species
> > under genus name A have
been
> described
> > subsequently. One of them
> seems to
> >
be a new genus B, with a type
>
species
> > by monotypy. What is
the
> correct name
> > for the type species? A.
> somespecies
>
> Originalauthor, Year; B.
>
somespecies
> > (Originalauthor,
Year); or
> else?
> > Appreciate your help!
> > Mikhail Daneliya
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