[Taxacom] Type species from unavailable genus name
Francisco Welter-Schultes
fwelter at gwdg.de
Sat May 12 17:27:39 CDT 2018
There are many records in the literature for genus A. If genus A was
unavailable from the 1968 paper, the next occasion after 1968 and before
2000 must be found where genus A was mentioned with a short description
and with one single species included. This would have made genus A
available at that occasion (type fixation by monotypy), with a different
author and a slightly later date. And hopefully without a spelling error...
Only if all such candidate publications were checked and none was among
them that unintentionally made the genus A name available, then a genus
B can be established.
Cheers
Francisco
Am 13.05.2018 um 00:16 schrieb Stephen Thorpe:
> OK, if that was the question, then I agree with Laurent's answer. I read it as Mikhail intended to propose genus B himself. However, my comment still stands that whoever proposed genus B would have been wiser to validate genus A instead!
> Stephen
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Sat, 12/5/18, Laurent Raty <l.raty at skynet.be> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Type species from unavailable genus name
> To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> Received: Saturday, 12 May, 2018, 9:36 PM
>
> Is Mikhail's question really
> understood as he meant it...?
> Perhaps
> I'm the one who is misreading it, but I don't think
> the question
> was about valid names, or the
> intended introduction of any new generic
> name. I would understand the question as:
>
> What is the correct way to
> cite the type species of a genus (here,
> "genus B", type species fixed by
> monotypy -- i.e., presumably simply
> originally included in B as "B
> somespecies"), when said type species was
> established in combination with a generic name
> ("genus A") that was
> unavailable...?
>
> (I would go with "A somespecies
> Originalauthor, Year", in agreement with
> Rec. 67B. Even though "A" has (or
> had) no nomenclatural standing.)
>
> Cheers, L -
>
>
> On 05/12/2018 12:31 AM, Neal
> Evenhuis wrote:
> > I searched Google
> Scholar and there are over 50,000 hits for "Genus
> A", so it has indeed been used quite a bit….
> >
> > ;-)
> >
> >
> > Neal L. Evenhuis, PhD.
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> > On Stardate 5/11/18, 12:24 PM,
> Star-trooper "Taxacom on behalf of Stephen Thorpe"
> <taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu<mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> on behalf of stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz<mailto:stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>>
> wrote:
> >
> > The
> unavailability of genus A is not fixed forever! The name
> should be validated (which effectively means used as new
> again) before any alternative new generic names are
> introduced for any of the included species!
> > Cheers,
> > Stephen
> >
> >
> --------------------------------------------
> > On Sat, 12/5/18, Mikhail Daneliya <mdaneliya at gmail.com<mailto:mdaneliya at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> > Subject:
> [Taxacom] Type species from unavailable genus name
> > To: Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu<mailto:Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> > Received: Saturday, 12 May, 2018, 1:40
> AM
> > Genus A was described for two
> species after
> > 1931, but type species
> was not
> > designated. The genus name A is
> thus
> > unavailable. Despite that more
> species
> > under genus name A have been
> described
> > subsequently. One of them
> seems to
> > be a new genus B, with a type
> species
> > by monotypy. What is the
> correct name
> > for the type species? A.
> somespecies
> > Originalauthor, Year; B.
> somespecies
> > (Originalauthor, Year); or
> else?
> > Appreciate your help!
> > Mikhail Daneliya
> >
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