[Taxacom] Type species from unavailable genus name

[Stephen Thorpe]

OK, if that was the question, then I agree with Laurent's answer. I read it as Mikhail intended to propose genus B himself. However, my comment still stands that whoever proposed genus B would have been wiser to validate genus A instead!
Stephen

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On Sat, 12/5/18, Laurent Raty <l.raty at skynet.be> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Type species from unavailable genus name
 To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
 Received: Saturday, 12 May, 2018, 9:36 PM
 
 Is Mikhail's question really
 understood as he meant it...?
 Perhaps
 I'm the one who is misreading it, but I don't think
 the question 
 was about valid names, or the
 intended introduction of any new generic 
 name. I would understand the question as:
 
 What is the correct way to
 cite the type species of a genus (here, 
 "genus B", type species fixed by
 monotypy -- i.e., presumably simply 
 originally included in B as "B
 somespecies"), when said type species was 
 established in combination with a generic name
 ("genus A") that was 
 unavailable...?
 
 (I would go with "A somespecies
 Originalauthor, Year", in agreement with 
 Rec. 67B. Even though "A" has (or
 had) no nomenclatural standing.)
 
 Cheers, L -
 
 
 On 05/12/2018 12:31 AM, Neal
 Evenhuis wrote:
 > I searched Google
 Scholar and there are over 50,000 hits for "Genus
 A", so it has indeed been used quite a bit….
 > 
 > ;-)
 > 
 > 
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 > Senior Entomologist
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 > On Stardate 5/11/18, 12:24 PM,
 Star-trooper "Taxacom on behalf of Stephen Thorpe"
 <taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu<mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
 on behalf of stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz<mailto:stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>>
 wrote:
 > 
 > The
 unavailability of genus A is not fixed forever! The name
 should be validated (which effectively means used as new
 again) before any alternative new generic names are
 introduced for any of the included species!
 > Cheers,
 > Stephen
 > 
 >
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 > On Sat, 12/5/18, Mikhail Daneliya <mdaneliya at gmail.com<mailto:mdaneliya at gmail.com>>
 wrote:
 > 
 > Subject:
 [Taxacom] Type species from unavailable genus name
 > To: Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu<mailto:Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
 > Received: Saturday, 12 May, 2018, 1:40
 AM
 > Genus A was described for two
 species after
 > 1931, but type species
 was not
 > designated. The genus name A is
 thus
 > unavailable. Despite that more
 species
 > under genus name A have been
 described
 > subsequently. One of them
 seems to
 > be a new genus B, with a type
 species
 > by monotypy. What is the
 correct name
 > for the type species? A.
 somespecies
 > Originalauthor, Year; B.
 somespecies
 > (Originalauthor, Year); or
 else?
 > Appreciate your help!
 > Mikhail Daneliya
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