[Taxacom] Type species from unavailable genus name

[Laurent Raty]

Is Mikhail's question really understood as he meant it...?
Perhaps I'm the one who is misreading it, but I don't think the question 
was about valid names, or the intended introduction of any new generic 
name. I would understand the question as:

What is the correct way to cite the type species of a genus (here, 
"genus B", type species fixed by monotypy -- i.e., presumably simply 
originally included in B as "B somespecies"), when said type species was 
established in combination with a generic name ("genus A") that was 
unavailable...?

(I would go with "A somespecies Originalauthor, Year", in agreement with 
Rec. 67B. Even though "A" has (or had) no nomenclatural standing.)

Cheers, L -


On 05/12/2018 12:31 AM, Neal Evenhuis wrote:
> I searched Google Scholar and there are over 50,000 hits for "Genus A", so it has indeed been used quite a bit….
> 
> ;-)
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> On Stardate 5/11/18, 12:24 PM, Star-trooper "Taxacom on behalf of Stephen Thorpe" <taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu<mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> on behalf of stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz<mailto:stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>> wrote:
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> The unavailability of genus A is not fixed forever! The name should be validated (which effectively means used as new again) before any alternative new generic names are introduced for any of the included species!
> Cheers,
> Stephen
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> On Sat, 12/5/18, Mikhail Daneliya <mdaneliya at gmail.com<mailto:mdaneliya at gmail.com>> wrote:
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> Subject: [Taxacom] Type species from unavailable genus name
> To: Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu<mailto:Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> Received: Saturday, 12 May, 2018, 1:40 AM
> Genus A was described for two species after
> 1931, but type species was not
> designated. The genus name A is thus
> unavailable. Despite that more species
> under genus name A have been described
> subsequently. One of them seems to
> be a new genus B, with a type species
> by monotypy. What is the correct name
> for the type species? A. somespecies
> Originalauthor, Year; B. somespecies
> (Originalauthor, Year); or else?
> Appreciate your help!
> Mikhail Daneliya
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