[Taxacom] New World monkeys rafting from Africa

Sun Jun 3 21:17:55 CDT 2018

who said 'direct evidence'? And presumably there is evidence for the Higgs
boson. I'd also be interested in the evidence (teeth details) linking
Perupithecus with the N African Talahpithecus.

On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 2:13 PM, Frederick W. Schueler <bckcdb at istar.ca>
wrote:

> On 03/06/2018 10:06 PM, John Grehan wrote:
>
>>  I did not see any fossil evidence of dispersal from the Old
>> World to the New in either article. Please state what constitutes the
>> evidence so I can assess.
>>
>
> * oh, come on - nobody saw any "direct evidence" of the Higgs boson
> either, so I suppose it's also a fairy tale?
>
> fred.
> =================================================
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 10:01 PM, Kenneth Kinman <kinman at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Oh for heaven's sake, another red herring.  It is not based on molecular
>>> evidence.  It is fossil evidence.  Here are weblinks to an article from
>>> National Geographic, and a weblink to the full paper naming and analyzing
>>> the significance of the new fossils:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2015/02/05/when-
>>> monkeys-surfed-to-
>>> south-america/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14120.epdf?
>>> referrer_access_token=Aq3mCS_U83h_wRkC7RGhw9RgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0
>>> OeRw-3QoIkb2K-RTBu-WlQVpxymwHRfnmhxWlRfp03p3toa22
>>> UdqDv45qaqqTQI56ppLk8Rif3uZBwNOtM87pB7tWQHTiPkH8Kqp7bQU_
>>> 9txkTQeX8ZJsCEYjoymmn_jm4TsHsvXbuWtG92hWtkygbamnr1YG
>>> 9cXipd6wE5cJZvHLjAzpoJ3FvB385JmwnskCZs6fZZ97GVWucjy98kE1wY54
>>> QXNy1YDdxuSd7KJu39g%3D%3D&tracking_referrer=phenomena.
>>> nationalgeographic.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* John Grehan <calabar.john at gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, June 3, 2018 7:58 PM
>>> *To:* Kenneth Kinman
>>> *Cc:* taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Taxacom] New World monkeys rafting from Africa
>>>
>>> Ken,
>>>
>>> If you are basing the monkey claim on "molecular clock estimates now date
>>> the last common ancestor for New and Old World monkeys to a time about
>>> 100
>>> million years after the continents had split apart. So that idea has gone
>>> out the window." (one of the links you provided) then you are buying into
>>> the misrepresentation of molecular dates for what they actually are -
>>> minimums. This is why this is all fairly tales.
>>>
>>> John Grehan
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 8:54 PM, Kenneth Kinman <kinman at hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>>       As I recall, John Grehan also argued with me a long ago on taxacom
>>> about the ancestor of New World monkeys rafting across the Atlantic from
>>> Africa.  Well, even more evidence for that rafting scenario came from a
>>> fossil monkey named in 2014, Perupithecus.
>>>
>>>        Here are weblinks to the abstract of the paper naming that fossil,
>>> and a BBC article based on that fossil (entitled "The monkeys that sailed
>>> across the Atlantic to South America"):
>>>
>>>        https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14120
>>>
>>>
>>>        http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20160126-the-monkeys-that-
>>> sailed-across-the-atlantic-to-south-america
>>>
>>> [http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/wwfeatures/live/624_351/images/
>>> live/p0/3g/m7/p03gm70h.jpg]<http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/
>>> 20160126-the-monkeys-that-sailed-across-the-atlantic-to-south-america>
>>>
>>> BBC - Earth - The monkeys that sailed across the Atlantic ...<
>>> http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20160126-the-monkeys-that
>>> -sailed-across-the-atlantic-to-south-america>
>>> www.bbc.com
>>> Monkeys suddenly appeared in South America about 40 million years ago.
>>> Unlikely though it may seem, they probably sailed there from Africa
>>>
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