[Taxacom] New World monkeys rafting from Africa

Sun Jun 3 21:18:55 CDT 2018

But Fred, it was Ken who asserted that there was fossil evidence of
dispersal. All I asked was for him to cite what actually constituted
evidence.

True, we are referencing postulated events in the past, but at least
panbiogeography offers evidence in the form of biogeographic and tectonic
correlations, and like the Higgs Boson result, has successfully predicted
tectonic formations unknown to geologists at the time (interestingly, read
a recent article suggesting that the lack of predictive success in physics
might reflect physicists getting more caught up in mathematical elegance
than reality :)

John Grehan

On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 10:13 PM, Frederick W. Schueler <bckcdb at istar.ca>
wrote:

> On 03/06/2018 10:06 PM, John Grehan wrote:
>
>>  I did not see any fossil evidence of dispersal from the Old
>> World to the New in either article. Please state what constitutes the
>> evidence so I can assess.
>>
>
> * oh, come on - nobody saw any "direct evidence" of the Higgs boson
> either, so I suppose it's also a fairy tale?
>
> fred.
> =================================================
>
> On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 10:01 PM, Kenneth Kinman <kinman at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Oh for heaven's sake, another red herring.  It is not based on molecular
>>> evidence.  It is fossil evidence.  Here are weblinks to an article from
>>> National Geographic, and a weblink to the full paper naming and analyzing
>>> the significance of the new fossils:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2015/02/05/when-
>>> monkeys-surfed-to-
>>> south-america/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14120.epdf?
>>> referrer_access_token=Aq3mCS_U83h_wRkC7RGhw9RgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0
>>> OeRw-3QoIkb2K-RTBu-WlQVpxymwHRfnmhxWlRfp03p3toa22
>>> UdqDv45qaqqTQI56ppLk8Rif3uZBwNOtM87pB7tWQHTiPkH8Kqp7bQU_
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>>> 9cXipd6wE5cJZvHLjAzpoJ3FvB385JmwnskCZs6fZZ97GVWucjy98kE1wY54
>>> QXNy1YDdxuSd7KJu39g%3D%3D&tracking_referrer=phenomena.
>>> nationalgeographic.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* John Grehan <calabar.john at gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, June 3, 2018 7:58 PM
>>> *To:* Kenneth Kinman
>>> *Cc:* taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Taxacom] New World monkeys rafting from Africa
>>>
>>>
>>> Ken,
>>>
>>> If you are basing the monkey claim on "molecular clock estimates now date
>>> the last common ancestor for New and Old World monkeys to a time about
>>> 100
>>> million years after the continents had split apart. So that idea has gone
>>> out the window." (one of the links you provided) then you are buying into
>>> the misrepresentation of molecular dates for what they actually are -
>>> minimums. This is why this is all fairly tales.
>>>
>>> John Grehan
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 8:54 PM, Kenneth Kinman <kinman at hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>>       As I recall, John Grehan also argued with me a long ago on taxacom
>>> about the ancestor of New World monkeys rafting across the Atlantic from
>>> Africa.  Well, even more evidence for that rafting scenario came from a
>>> fossil monkey named in 2014, Perupithecus.
>>>
>>>        Here are weblinks to the abstract of the paper naming that fossil,
>>> and a BBC article based on that fossil (entitled "The monkeys that sailed
>>> across the Atlantic to South America"):
>>>
>>>        https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14120
>>>
>>>
>>>        http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20160126-the-monkeys-that-
>>> sailed-across-the-atlantic-to-south-america
>>>
>>> [http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/wwfeatures/live/624_351/images/
>>> live/p0/3g/m7/p03gm70h.jpg]<http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/
>>> 20160126-the-monkeys-that-sailed-across-the-atlantic-to-south-america>
>>>
>>> BBC - Earth - The monkeys that sailed across the Atlantic ...<
>>> http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20160126-the-monkeys-that
>>> -sailed-across-the-atlantic-to-south-america>
>>> www.bbc.com
>>> Monkeys suddenly appeared in South America about 40 million years ago.
>>> Unlikely though it may seem, they probably sailed there from Africa
>>>
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