[Taxacom] New World monkeys rafting from Africa

[Frederick W. Schueler]

On 03/06/2018 10:06 PM, John Grehan wrote:
>  I did not see any fossil evidence of dispersal from the Old
> World to the New in either article. Please state what constitutes the
> evidence so I can assess.

* oh, come on - nobody saw any "direct evidence" of the Higgs boson 
either, so I suppose it's also a fairy tale?

fred.
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> On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 10:01 PM, Kenneth Kinman <kinman at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Oh for heaven's sake, another red herring.  It is not based on molecular
>> evidence.  It is fossil evidence.  Here are weblinks to an article from
>> National Geographic, and a weblink to the full paper naming and analyzing
>> the significance of the new fossils:
>>
>>
>> http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2015/02/05/when-monkeys-surfed-to-
>> south-america/
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14120.epdf?
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>> QXNy1YDdxuSd7KJu39g%3D%3D&tracking_referrer=phenomena.
>> nationalgeographic.com
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* John Grehan <calabar.john at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, June 3, 2018 7:58 PM
>> *To:* Kenneth Kinman
>> *Cc:* taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
>> *Subject:* Re: [Taxacom] New World monkeys rafting from Africa
>>
>> Ken,
>>
>> If you are basing the monkey claim on "molecular clock estimates now date
>> the last common ancestor for New and Old World monkeys to a time about 100
>> million years after the continents had split apart. So that idea has gone
>> out the window." (one of the links you provided) then you are buying into
>> the misrepresentation of molecular dates for what they actually are -
>> minimums. This is why this is all fairly tales.
>>
>> John Grehan
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 8:54 PM, Kenneth Kinman <kinman at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>>       As I recall, John Grehan also argued with me a long ago on taxacom
>> about the ancestor of New World monkeys rafting across the Atlantic from
>> Africa.  Well, even more evidence for that rafting scenario came from a
>> fossil monkey named in 2014, Perupithecus.
>>
>>        Here are weblinks to the abstract of the paper naming that fossil,
>> and a BBC article based on that fossil (entitled "The monkeys that sailed
>> across the Atlantic to South America"):
>>
>>        https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14120
>>
>>
>>        http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20160126-the-monkeys-that-
>> sailed-across-the-atlantic-to-south-america
>>
>> [http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/wwfeatures/live/624_351/images/
>> live/p0/3g/m7/p03gm70h.jpg]<http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/
>> 20160126-the-monkeys-that-sailed-across-the-atlantic-to-south-america>
>>
>> BBC - Earth - The monkeys that sailed across the Atlantic ...<
>> http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20160126-the-monkeys-that
>> -sailed-across-the-atlantic-to-south-america>
>> www.bbc.com
>> Monkeys suddenly appeared in South America about 40 million years ago.
>> Unlikely though it may seem, they probably sailed there from Africa
>>
>>
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