[Taxacom] New World monkeys rafting from Africa

[John Grehan]

Sorry Ken, I did not see any fossil evidence of dispersal from the Old
World to the New in either article. Please state what constitutes the
evidence so I an assess.

John Grehan



On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 10:01 PM, Kenneth Kinman <kinman at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Oh for heaven's sake, another red herring.  It is not based on molecular
> evidence.  It is fossil evidence.  Here are weblinks to an article from
> National Geographic, and a weblink to the full paper naming and analyzing
> the significance of the new fossils:
>
>
> http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2015/02/05/when-monkeys-surfed-to-
> south-america/
>
>
>
> https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14120.epdf?
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> nationalgeographic.com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* John Grehan <calabar.john at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 3, 2018 7:58 PM
> *To:* Kenneth Kinman
> *Cc:* taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [Taxacom] New World monkeys rafting from Africa
>
> Ken,
>
> If you are basing the monkey claim on "molecular clock estimates now date
> the last common ancestor for New and Old World monkeys to a time about 100
> million years after the continents had split apart. So that idea has gone
> out the window." (one of the links you provided) then you are buying into
> the misrepresentation of molecular dates for what they actually are -
> minimums. This is why this is all fairly tales.
>
> John Grehan
>
> On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 8:54 PM, Kenneth Kinman <kinman at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
>      As I recall, John Grehan also argued with me a long ago on taxacom
> about the ancestor of New World monkeys rafting across the Atlantic from
> Africa.  Well, even more evidence for that rafting scenario came from a
> fossil monkey named in 2014, Perupithecus.
>
>       Here are weblinks to the abstract of the paper naming that fossil,
> and a BBC article based on that fossil (entitled "The monkeys that sailed
> across the Atlantic to South America"):
>
>       https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14120
>
>
>       http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20160126-the-monkeys-that-
> sailed-across-the-atlantic-to-south-america
>
> [http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/wwfeatures/live/624_351/images/
> live/p0/3g/m7/p03gm70h.jpg]<http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/
> 20160126-the-monkeys-that-sailed-across-the-atlantic-to-south-america>
>
> BBC - Earth - The monkeys that sailed across the Atlantic ...<
> http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20160126-the-monkeys-that
> -sailed-across-the-atlantic-to-south-america>
> www.bbc.com
> Monkeys suddenly appeared in South America about 40 million years ago.
> Unlikely though it may seem, they probably sailed there from Africa
>
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