[Taxacom] Type localities (was: Bionomina 13 published)

Geoff Read gread at actrix.gen.nz
Fri Dec 28 21:12:22 CST 2018 

Well Stephen, you'd probably need new rules to do that!

Re-identifying goes on all the time.  If an ecologist is using the data of
previous records (now something else, although probably only a change
within a genus) for distributions, etc, it's up to them to keep abreast of
the status quo.  How do taxonomists usefully flag to ecologists there is
something changed about a well-known species that affects their work? I
don't know, beyond putting a comment about it in the abstract.

Geoff

On Fri, December 28, 2018 6:12 pm, Stephen Thorpe wrote:
> The bigger picture here is that, in cases where a name is found to refer
> to a complex of species, it would make far more sense to abandon such
> names entirely (except perhaps as a name for the whole "complex"), rather
> than using them from that point on as a name for just one species of the
> complex. My rationale for this is that such names refer to unreliable
> (i.e. mixed species) information up to the point when they are used for
> just one species in the complex. This means that someone wanting to find
> out information about the species will need to know exactly when the sense
> of the name changed, and will have to know to disregard all information
> before that point in time. In practice, this is unlikely, so confusion
> will inevitably result with old unreliable information being quoted still
> for the species. However, we seem to be stuck with an antiquated system of
> nomenclature which tends to obscure what is important in a mass of
> pointless nomenclatural details!
>
> Stephen
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Fri, 28/12/18, Elena Kupriyanova <Elena.Kupriyanova at austmus.gov.au>
> wrote:
>
>  Subject: RE: [Taxacom] Type localities (was: Bionomina 13 published)
>  To: "Stephen Thorpe" <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>,
> "taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
>  Received: Friday, 28 December, 2018, 4:22 PM
>
>  Yes, of course, ultimately you
>  need to know the distributions of the species in the
>  complex. But to figure that out one has to start with the
>  distribution of the name bearing species of the complex and
>  to find what the name bearing species actually is one needs
>  to know the type locality
>
>
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>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Stephen Thorpe [mailto:stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz]
>  Sent: Friday, 28 December 2018 1:21 PM
>  To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu;
>  Elena Kupriyanova <Elena.Kupriyanova at austmus.gov.au>
>  Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Type localities (was:
>  Bionomina 13 published)
>
>  Not
>  quite! The type localities per se still aren't important
>  in the situation you describe. What matters is the
>  distributions of the segregate species in the complex.
>
>  Stephen
>
>  --------------------------------------------
>  On Fri, 28/12/18, Elena Kupriyanova <Elena.Kupriyanova at austmus.gov.au>
>  wrote:
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>   Subject: Re:
>  [Taxacom] Type localities (was: Bionomina 13 published)
>   To: "taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu"
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>   Received: Friday, 28 December, 2018, 3:15
>  PM
>
>   > to answer your
>  question, I wouldn't
>   think type
>  localities would be of much importance at all for  a
>  common, widespread uniform species.
>
>   Oh, really? Except for the most common
>   situation in shallow-water marine
>  invertebrates. Once one  actually bothers to look more or
>  less carefully at this  "common, widespread uniform
>  species" and discovers a huge  species complex beyond
>  the façade of this "common" or even 
>  "cosmopolitan species", the importance of the
>  type  localities somehow becomes crystal clear.
>
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