[Taxacom] Type localities (was: Bionomina 13 published)

Sun Dec 30 02:38:16 CST 2018

>The bigger picture here is that, in cases where a name is found to refer to a complex of species, it would make far more sense to abandon such names entirely (except perhaps as a name for the whole "complex"), rather than using them from that point on as a name for just one species of the complex

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On Fri, 28/12/18, Elena Kupriyanova <Elena.Kupriyanova at austmus.gov.au> wrote:

 Subject: RE: [Taxacom] Type localities (was: Bionomina 13 published)
 To: "Stephen Thorpe" <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>, "taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
 Received: Friday, 28 December, 2018, 4:22 PM

 Yes, of course, ultimately you
 need to know the distributions of the species in the  complex. But to figure that out one has to start with the  distribution of the name bearing species of the complex and  to find what the name bearing species actually is one needs  to know the type locality

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 From: Stephen Thorpe [mailto:stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz]
 Sent: Friday, 28 December 2018 1:21 PM
 To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu;
 Elena Kupriyanova <Elena.Kupriyanova at austmus.gov.au>
 Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Type localities (was:
 Bionomina 13 published)

 Not
 quite! The type localities per se still aren't important  in the situation you describe. What matters is the  distributions of the segregate species in the complex.

 Stephen

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 On Fri, 28/12/18, Elena Kupriyanova <Elena.Kupriyanova at austmus.gov.au>
 wrote:

  Subject: Re:
 [Taxacom] Type localities (was: Bionomina 13 published)
  To: "taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu"
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  Received: Friday, 28 December, 2018, 3:15  PM

  > to answer your
 question, I wouldn't
  think type
 localities would be of much importance at all for  a  common, widespread uniform species.

  Oh, really? Except for the most common
  situation in shallow-water marine
 invertebrates. Once one  actually bothers to look more or  less carefully at this  "common, widespread uniform  species" and discovers a huge  species complex beyond  the façade of this "common" or even  "cosmopolitan species", the importance of the  type  localities somehow becomes crystal clear.

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