[Taxacom] Paywall our taxonomic tidbit

[Stephen Thorpe]

Nt sure what that proves? Will it last? Biodiversity Data Journal was completely free for the first 3 years. Is it a high impact journal that academics will want to publish in?

Stephen

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On Mon, 18/1/16, Richard Rabeler <rabeler at umich.edu> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Paywall our taxonomic tidbit
 To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
 Received: Monday, 18 January, 2016, 10:35 AM
 
 While not wanting to
 prolong this thread, there is at least one Open-Access
 journal with no fees to either author or
 reader.
 
 -----Original
 Message-----
 From: Taxacom [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu]
 On Behalf Of
 Henrik Enghoff
 Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 5:52 AM
 To: Taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
 Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Nature needs names: 60
 new dragonflies from Africa
 
 Diamond Open Access, i.e., costfree for authors
 and readers alike, as well
 as Zoobank
 registration, is provided by European Journal of Taxonomy
 (
 www.europeanjournaloftaxonomy.eu). The
 journal is not restricted to
 European
 authors,
 nor to European target
 organisms.
 
 Henrik
 Enghoff
 
 NATURAL HISTORY
 MUSEUM OF DENMARK
 University of
 Copenhagen
 
 --> I would
 think this would be a logical place to consider for those
 on
 limited budgets.
 
 Rich Rabeler, MICH
 
 On
 Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
 wrote:
 
 >
 "information already paid for by the public purse
 should not be paid for
 > again each time
 it is accessed or used, and ..."
 >
 > "This means
 making publicly-funded scientific information available
 > online, at no extra cost ..."
 >
 > OK, so wtf is going
 on here?? Open access means that the public purse DOES
 > pay again, there IS an extra cost (i.e.
 open access fees). Sure it is not
 > paid
 for by the public purse each time it is accessed or used. It
 is paid
 > for in advance regardless of
 how many people, if any, actually want to
 > access or use the information!
 >
 > We really need to get
 straight who really benefits from open access, and
 > how. We also need to look at who is
 lobbying for open access, and how they
 >
 benefit.
 >
 > Other
 related issues include access to what is already published.
 Will
 > that require subscriptions to
 access in addition to open access fees for
 > future publications? Also, will there be
 extra funding for open access
 > fees, or
 will it be diverted from existing research budgets.
 >
 > Stephen
 >
 >
 >
 --------------------------------------------
 > On Mon, 18/1/16, rch <rch at skynet.be>
 wrote:
 >
 >  Subject:
 Re: Paywall our taxonomic tidbit
 >  To:
 taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu,
 lynn at afriherp.org,
 > stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
 >  Received: Monday, 18 January, 2016,
 10:08 AM
 >
 >  Lynn
 Raw wrote
 >  "...When the research
 is paid for by
 >  'the public'
 then there should be an obligation
 > 
 for this to be made freely available to 'the
 >  public' whether they are interested
 or not.
 >  Admittedly, perhaps this
 should be limited to the
 > 
 residents/taxpayers of the countries concerned (i.e.,
 >  EU member states for EU-funded
 research)..."
 >
 >  Actually, I think that the
 "obligation" is now written
 > 
 in tablets of Brussels stone; the European commission
 says
 >  "information already paid
 for by the public purse
 >  should not be
 paid for again each time it is accessed or
 >  used,
 >  and .. it
 should benefit European companies and citizens
 >  to the full. This means making
 publicly-funded scientific
 > 
 information available online, at no extra cost, to
 >  European researchers, innovative
 industries and
 >  citizens, while
 ensuring long-term preservation." [1]
 >
 >  So now "Open
 access to scientific peer reviewed
 > 
 publications
 >  has been anchored as an
 underlying principle in the
 >  Horizon
 2020 Regulation and the Rules of Participation
 >  and will consequently be implemented
 through the relevant
 >  provisions in
 the grant agreement." [2]
 >
 >  And it looks as though the Horizon 2020
 programme, which
 >  has
 >  nearly €80 billion available over the
 years to 2020 [3],
 >  may even have some
 funds for taxonomy - see e.g. the
 > 
 website
 >  of CETAF - the Consortium of
 European Taxonomic Facilities
 >  [4]
 >
 >  Richard H
 >  https://orcid.org/0000-0003-3023-103X
 >
 >  [1]
 >
 > https://ec.europa.eu/research/participants/data/ref/h2020/grants_manual/hi/oa_pilot/h2020-hi-oa-pilot-guide_en.pdf
 >  [2]
 >
 > https://ec.europa.eu/programmes/horizon2020/sites/horizon2020/files/FactSheet_Open_Access.pdf
 >  [3] https://ec.europa.eu/programmes/horizon2020/en/what-horizon-2020
 >  [4] http://cetaf.org/search/node/Horizon%202020
 >
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