[Taxacom] Paywall our taxonomic tidbit

Sun Jan 17 16:06:25 CST 2016

Stephen, please explain your plan/idea for a workable, sustainble and
accessible journal ecosystem. This is not a trap, I just want to know
where the last 60+ mails are leading to (a suspect nowhere...).

good night

Jason

On 17 January 2016 at 22:46, Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz> wrote:
> Nt sure what that proves? Will it last? Biodiversity Data Journal was completely free for the first 3 years. Is it a high impact journal that academics will want to publish in?
>
> Stephen
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Mon, 18/1/16, Richard Rabeler <rabeler at umich.edu> wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Paywall our taxonomic tidbit
>  To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
>  Received: Monday, 18 January, 2016, 10:35 AM
>
>  While not wanting to
>  prolong this thread, there is at least one Open-Access
>  journal with no fees to either author or
>  reader.
>
>  -----Original
>  Message-----
>  From: Taxacom [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu]
>  On Behalf Of
>  Henrik Enghoff
>  Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 5:52 AM
>  To: Taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
>  Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Nature needs names: 60
>  new dragonflies from Africa
>
>  Diamond Open Access, i.e., costfree for authors
>  and readers alike, as well
>  as Zoobank
>  registration, is provided by European Journal of Taxonomy
>  (
>  www.europeanjournaloftaxonomy.eu). The
>  journal is not restricted to
>  European
>  authors,
>  nor to European target
>  organisms.
>
>  Henrik
>  Enghoff
>
>  NATURAL HISTORY
>  MUSEUM OF DENMARK
>  University of
>  Copenhagen
>
>  --> I would
>  think this would be a logical place to consider for those
>  on
>  limited budgets.
>
>  Rich Rabeler, MICH
>
>  On
>  Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
>  wrote:
>
>  >
>  "information already paid for by the public purse
>  should not be paid for
>  > again each time
>  it is accessed or used, and ..."
>  >
>  > "This means
>  making publicly-funded scientific information available
>  > online, at no extra cost ..."
>  >
>  > OK, so wtf is going
>  on here?? Open access means that the public purse DOES
>  > pay again, there IS an extra cost (i.e.
>  open access fees). Sure it is not
>  > paid
>  for by the public purse each time it is accessed or used. It
>  is paid
>  > for in advance regardless of
>  how many people, if any, actually want to
>  > access or use the information!
>  >
>  > We really need to get
>  straight who really benefits from open access, and
>  > how. We also need to look at who is
>  lobbying for open access, and how they
>  >
>  benefit.
>  >
>  > Other
>  related issues include access to what is already published.
>  Will
>  > that require subscriptions to
>  access in addition to open access fees for
>  > future publications? Also, will there be
>  extra funding for open access
>  > fees, or
>  will it be diverted from existing research budgets.
>  >
>  > Stephen
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  --------------------------------------------
>  > On Mon, 18/1/16, rch <rch at skynet.be>
>  wrote:
>  >
>  >  Subject:
>  Re: Paywall our taxonomic tidbit
>  >  To:
>  taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu,
>  lynn at afriherp.org,
>  > stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
>  >  Received: Monday, 18 January, 2016,
>  10:08 AM
>  >
>  >  Lynn
>  Raw wrote
>  >  "...When the research
>  is paid for by
>  >  'the public'
>  then there should be an obligation
>  >
>  for this to be made freely available to 'the
>  >  public' whether they are interested
>  or not.
>  >  Admittedly, perhaps this
>  should be limited to the
>  >
>  residents/taxpayers of the countries concerned (i.e.,
>  >  EU member states for EU-funded
>  research)..."
>  >
>  >  Actually, I think that the
>  "obligation" is now written
>  >
>  in tablets of Brussels stone; the European commission
>  says
>  >  "information already paid
>  for by the public purse
>  >  should not be
>  paid for again each time it is accessed or
>  >  used,
>  >  and .. it
>  should benefit European companies and citizens
>  >  to the full. This means making
>  publicly-funded scientific
>  >
>  information available online, at no extra cost, to
>  >  European researchers, innovative
>  industries and
>  >  citizens, while
>  ensuring long-term preservation." [1]
>  >
>  >  So now "Open
>  access to scientific peer reviewed
>  >
>  publications
>  >  has been anchored as an
>  underlying principle in the
>  >  Horizon
>  2020 Regulation and the Rules of Participation
>  >  and will consequently be implemented
>  through the relevant
>  >  provisions in
>  the grant agreement." [2]
>  >
>  >  And it looks as though the Horizon 2020
>  programme, which
>  >  has
>  >  nearly €80 billion available over the
>  years to 2020 [3],
>  >  may even have some
>  funds for taxonomy - see e.g. the
>  >
>  website
>  >  of CETAF - the Consortium of
>  European Taxonomic Facilities
>  >  [4]
>  >
>  >  Richard H
>  >  https://orcid.org/0000-0003-3023-103X
>  >
>  >  [1]
>  >
>  > https://ec.europa.eu/research/participants/data/ref/h2020/grants_manual/hi/oa_pilot/h2020-hi-oa-pilot-guide_en.pdf
>  >  [2]
>  >
>  > https://ec.europa.eu/programmes/horizon2020/sites/horizon2020/files/FactSheet_Open_Access.pdf
>  >  [3] https://ec.europa.eu/programmes/horizon2020/en/what-horizon-2020
>  >  [4] http://cetaf.org/search/node/Horizon%202020
>  >
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