[Taxacom] Paywall our taxonomic tidbit
Stephen Thorpe
stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
Thu Jan 14 19:46:15 CST 2016
Dear Elena,
I like your post because I am trying to get people to think this matter through, and your post shows that you are starting to do just that. There appears to be a significant group who are lobbying for open access, even though, as you correctly point out, it is usually not very hard to get hold of publications for free, even when they are not open access. What matters is that the people who need to read the publications can read them. There is absolutely no point in paying publishers up front to make the punlications available freely to everybody in the world, given that only a few people will ever need to read most of them! Somthing very dodgy is going on here - those who stand to gain financially from open access are lobbying hard in favour of it! No surprises there, really ...
Stephen
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On Fri, 15/1/16, Elena Kupriyanova <Elena.Kupriyanova at austmus.gov.au> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Paywall our taxonomic tidbit
To: "taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
Received: Friday, 15 January, 2016, 1:07 PM
Dear colleagues,
I am really confused by now re what the point of this
discussion is. Should we make our taxonomic papers open
access or should we use our grant money to do so instead of
paying for it out our own pockets? I honestly cannot see any
paywall - whenever I need a paper, I just write to the
author and ask for a pdf. I am happy to send my own papers
to anybody who cares to read them (gosh, where is a chance
they might even cite me ;) Besides, there is
Researchgate...
Best,
Lena
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-----Original Message-----
From: Taxacom [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu]
On Behalf Of Daniel Leo Gustafsson
Sent: Friday, 15 January 2016 10:28 AM
Cc: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Paywall our taxonomic tidbit
How is the fact that you have to pay per page published an
incentive to write as many pages as possible, compared to
not having to pay per page?
Cheers,
Daniel
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 4:24 PM, Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
wrote:
> Cut the ad hominem rhetoric Frank. I don't see evil
everywhere. But I
> can do the maths and see that $20/page multiplied by
many
> thousands/year of taxonomic papers of limited interest
amounts to a
> significant amount of public money spent on making
stuff available to
> read when hardly anyone wants to read it. It is also an
incentive for
> some authors to pad out their papers to be as long
winded as possible.
>
> Stephen
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Fri, 15/1/16, Frank T. Krell <Frank.Krell at dmns.org>
wrote:
>
> Subject: RE: [Taxacom] Paywall our taxonomic
tidbit
> To: "Stephen Thorpe" <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>,
"
> taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu"
<taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>,
"Peter Uetz"
> < peter at uetz.us>
> Received: Friday, 15 January, 2016, 11:51 AM
>
> Disseminating results is
> an essential part of the scientific endeavor. If
public money is
> intended for research, this includes making the
results known.
>
> You see evil
> problems everywhere, don't you, Stephen. Even in
a $20/page open
> access charge.
>
> Frank
>
>
> Dr Frank T. Krell
> Curator of
> Entomology
> Commissioner, International
> Commission on Zoological Nomenclature
Chair, ICZN ZooBank Committee
> Department of Zoology
>
> Denver Museum of Nature & Science
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> Denver, CO 80205-5798 USA
> Frank.Krell at dmns.org
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Taxacom [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu]
> On Behalf Of Stephen Thorpe
> Sent: Thursday,
> January 14, 2016 3:02 PM
> To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu;
> Peter Uetz <peter at uetz.us>
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Paywall our
taxonomic tidbit
>
> Peter Uetz said:
> Just make your papers available to everybody, not
just the few lucky
> ones
>
> Not sure if
> he was being sarcastic? I hope so. It amounts to
"just make your
> papers available to everybody (whether they want
to read it or not),
> not just the few who actually want to read it
(and pay for it with
> public money intended for research!)"
>
> Stephen
>
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Fri, 15/1/16, Peter Uetz <peter at uetz.us>
> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re:
> [Taxacom] Paywall our taxonomic tidbit
> To:
> taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> Received: Friday, 15 January, 2016,
7:20 AM
>
>
> Yes! —
> Zootaxa is probably the best deal you can get.
> I paid for an open access paper in
Zootaxa out of my own pocket,
> and this was a single author paper.
>
> For teams, some of which may
> have grant money available, it is a no
brainer.
> Just make your papers available to
everybody, not just the few
> lucky ones.
> Especially
> if you believe that nothing in biology
makes sense except in the
> light of taxonomy, sorry..., evolution
> :)
>
>
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 9
> > Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 13:58:22
+1300 > From: "Geoff Read"
> <gread at actrix.gen.nz>
> To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> Subject:
> [Taxacom] Paywall our taxonomic tidbit >
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> Am I unreasonable in expecting
> minor contributions to Zootaxa to be
> affordable for authors as
> open access as a convenience for their
readers?
> > For
> instance that's USD 20 for each author in
today's worst 2 page case!
> > Hopefully they earn
> (or did) much more that per hour.
> >
> > http://scanmail.trustwave.com/?c=4062&d=9q6Y1gpNzmYJLs1blKtVUODBKTPTcx6eV6JGXFkVzg&s=978&u=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2emapress%2ecom%2fj%2fzt%2farticle%2fview%2fzootaxa%2e4066%2e2%2e5
> >
> > Happens quite
> frequently - what are these contributors
thinking? Should we >
> perhaps start a fund to help them out?
> >
> > --
>
> > Geoffrey B. Read, Ph.D.
> >
> Wellington, NEW ZEALAND
> > gread at actrix.gen.nz
> >
> >
>
>
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