[Taxacom] Paywall our taxonomic tidbit

Thu Jan 14 17:49:34 CST 2016

Stephen, what may seem a reasonable assessment to one might seem to be ad
hominem to another. You dish out periodically about other people in a way
that may be viwed as ad hominem - regardless of the merits of the
criticism.

Spending of public money is a broader issue than just how many people read
a paper to justify public spending.

John Grehan

On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 6:24 PM, Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
wrote:

> Cut the ad hominem rhetoric Frank. I don't see evil everywhere. But I can
> do the maths and see that $20/page multiplied by many thousands/year of
> taxonomic papers of limited interest amounts to a significant amount of
> public money spent on making stuff available to read when hardly anyone
> wants to read it. It is also an incentive for some authors to pad out their
> papers to be as long winded as possible.
>
> Stephen
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Fri, 15/1/16, Frank T. Krell <Frank.Krell at dmns.org> wrote:
>
>  Subject: RE: [Taxacom] Paywall our taxonomic tidbit
>  To: "Stephen Thorpe" <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>, "
> taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>, "Peter Uetz" <
> peter at uetz.us>
>  Received: Friday, 15 January, 2016, 11:51 AM
>
>  Disseminating results is
>  an essential part of the scientific endeavor. If public
>  money is intended for research, this includes making the
>  results known.
>
>  You see evil
>  problems everywhere, don't you, Stephen. Even in a
>  $20/page open access charge.
>
>  Frank
>
>
>  Dr Frank T. Krell
>  Curator of
>  Entomology
>  Commissioner, International
>  Commission on Zoological Nomenclature
>  Chair,
>  ICZN ZooBank Committee
>  Department of Zoology
>
>  Denver Museum of Nature & Science
>  2001 Colorado Boulevard
>  Denver, CO 80205-5798 USA
>  Frank.Krell at dmns.org
>
>  Phone: (+1) (303) 370-8244
>  Fax: (+1) (303) 331-6492
>  http://www.dmns.org/science/museum-scientists/frank-krell
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>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Taxacom [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu]
>  On Behalf Of Stephen Thorpe
>  Sent: Thursday,
>  January 14, 2016 3:02 PM
>  To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu;
>  Peter Uetz <peter at uetz.us>
>  Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Paywall our taxonomic
>  tidbit
>
>  Peter Uetz said:
>  Just make your papers available to everybody, not just the
>  few lucky ones
>
>  Not sure if
>  he was being sarcastic? I hope so. It amounts to "just
>  make your papers available to everybody (whether they want
>  to read it or not), not just the few who actually want to
>  read it (and pay for it with public money intended for
>  research!)"
>
>  Stephen
>
>
>  --------------------------------------------
>  On Fri, 15/1/16, Peter Uetz <peter at uetz.us>
>  wrote:
>
>   Subject: Re:
>  [Taxacom] Paywall our taxonomic tidbit
>   To:
>  taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
>   Received: Friday, 15 January, 2016, 7:20 AM
>
>
>   Yes! —
>  Zootaxa is probably the best deal you can get.
>   I paid for an open access paper in Zootaxa out
>  of my own  pocket, and this was a single author paper.
>
>   For teams, some of which may
>  have grant money available, it  is a no brainer.
>   Just make your papers available to everybody,
>  not just the  few lucky ones.
>   Especially
>  if you believe that nothing in biology makes  sense except
>  in the light of taxonomy, sorry..., evolution
>   :)
>
>
>   > ------------------------------
>   >
>   > Message: 9
>   > Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 13:58:22 +1300
>  > From: "Geoff Read" <gread at actrix.gen.nz>
>  > To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
>  > Subject: [Taxacom] Paywall our taxonomic tidbit  >
>  Message-ID:
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>   > Content-Type:
>  text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1  >  > Am I
>  unreasonable in expecting minor contributions to  Zootaxa
>  to be  > affordable for authors as open access as a
>  convenience  for their readers?
>   > For
>  instance that's USD 20 for each author in today's
>  worst 2 page case!
>   > Hopefully they earn
>  (or did) much more that per hour.
>   >
>   > http://www.mapress.com/j/zt/article/view/zootaxa.4066.2.5
>   >
>   > Happens quite
>  frequently - what are these contributors  thinking? Should
>  we  > perhaps start a fund to help them out?
>   >
>   > --
>
>  > Geoffrey B. Read, Ph.D.
>   >
>  Wellington, NEW ZEALAND
>   > gread at actrix.gen.nz
>   >
>   >
>
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