[Taxacom] Paywall our taxonomic tidbit

[Stephen Thorpe]

You are mistaken! Very much so. If a significant number of "the public" wanted to read the stuff, then yes, but they don't. They don't understand the stuff, and they have no say in what exactly gets funded by their money (grant boards make those decisions). Effectively, under open access they are paying twice for the same research. Think about it ..

Stephen

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On Fri, 15/1/16, Lynn Raw <lynn at afriherp.org> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Paywall our taxonomic tidbit
 To: "TaxaCom" <Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
 Received: Friday, 15 January, 2016, 12:22 PM
 
 I agree with Frank.
 Surely if the public is paying for the research then the
 public should have free access to the results, or am I
 mistaken?
 
 
 Lynn
 
 
 > On 14 Jan 2016, at 22:51, Frank T. Krell
 <Frank.Krell at dmns.org>
 wrote:
 > 
 >
 Disseminating results is an essential part of the scientific
 endeavor. If public money is intended for research, this
 includes making the results known.
 > 
 > You see evil problems everywhere,
 don't you, Stephen. Even in a $20/page open access
 charge.
 > 
 > Frank
 > 
 > 
 > Dr Frank T. Krell
 >
 Curator of Entomology 
 > Commissioner,
 International Commission on Zoological Nomenclature
 > Chair, ICZN ZooBank Committee
 > Department of Zoology 
 > Denver Museum of Nature & Science 
 > 2001 Colorado Boulevard 
 > Denver, CO 80205-5798 USA 
 > Frank.Krell at dmns.org
 
 > Phone: (+1) (303) 370-8244 
 > Fax: (+1) (303) 331-6492 
 > http://www.dmns.org/science/museum-scientists/frank-krell
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 > 
 > -----Original
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 > From: Taxacom [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu]
 On Behalf Of Stephen Thorpe
 > Sent:
 Thursday, January 14, 2016 3:02 PM
 > To:
 taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu;
 Peter Uetz <peter at uetz.us>
 > Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Paywall our
 taxonomic tidbit
 > 
 >
 Peter Uetz said: Just make your papers available to
 everybody, not just the few lucky ones
 >
 
 > Not sure if he was being sarcastic? I
 hope so. It amounts to "just make your papers available
 to everybody (whether they want to read it or not), not just
 the few who actually want to read it (and pay for it with
 public money intended for research!)"
 > 
 > Stephen
 > 
 > 
 >
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 > On Fri, 15/1/16, Peter Uetz <peter at uetz.us>
 wrote:
 > 
 > Subject:
 Re: [Taxacom] Paywall our taxonomic tidbit
 > To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
 > Received: Friday, 15 January, 2016, 7:20
 AM
 > 
 > 
 > Yes! — Zootaxa is probably the best deal
 you can get.
 > I paid for an open access
 paper in Zootaxa out of my own  pocket, and this was a
 single author paper.
 > 
 > For teams, some of which may have grant
 money available, it  is a no brainer.
 >
 Just make your papers available to everybody, not just the 
 few lucky ones.
 > Especially if you
 believe that nothing in biology makes  sense except in the
 light of taxonomy, sorry..., evolution
 >
 :)
 > 
 > 
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 >> Message:
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 >> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 13:58:22
 +1300  > From: "Geoff Read" <gread at actrix.gen.nz> 
 > To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu 
 > Subject: [Taxacom] Paywall our taxonomic tidbit  >
 Message-ID:
 >>     <88e32d0d97f3055d3f25280814fd767f.squirrel at my.actrix.co.nz>
 >> Content-Type:
 text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1  >  > Am I
 unreasonable in expecting minor contributions to  Zootaxa
 to be  > affordable for authors as open access as a
 convenience  for their readers? 
 >>
 For instance that's USD 20 for each author in
 today's  worst 2 page case!
 >>
 Hopefully they earn (or did) much more that per hour.
 >> 
 >> http://www.mapress.com/j/zt/article/view/zootaxa.4066.2.5
 >> 
 >> Happens
 quite frequently - what are these contributors  thinking?
 Should we  > perhaps start a fund to help them out?
 >> 
 >> --
 >> Geoffrey B. Read, Ph.D.
 >> Wellington, NEW ZEALAND
 >> gread at actrix.gen.nz
 >> 
 >> 
 > 
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