[Taxacom] Paywall our taxonomic tidbit
John Grehan
calabar.john at gmail.com
Thu Jan 14 17:51:21 CST 2016
And in the best of all worlds society in general (through government
allocation) would pay for the costs (which does happen for some government
research publications).
John Grehan
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 6:44 PM, Michael A. Ivie <mivie at montana.edu> wrote:
> Com'on, Stephen,
>
> Publication costs are allowed in every grant I have ever gotten, reviewed
> or awarded. It would be simply stupid for an agency to fund research but
> not dissemination of the findings. It does not matter how many people want
> to read it as long as the ones important to the particular research can
> read it. This is very simple stuff, very odd you don't understand this.
> These costs are a minor percentage of a grant, maybe $300 in a $25,000
> grant.
>
> Publishing is not free, the publisher has costs, and someone has to pay
> those costs. Why would people think research costs money but publishing
> does not?
>
> Mike
>
>
> On 1/14/2016 4:24 PM, Stephen Thorpe wrote:
>
>> Cut the ad hominem rhetoric Frank. I don't see evil everywhere. But I can
>> do the maths and see that $20/page multiplied by many thousands/year of
>> taxonomic papers of limited interest amounts to a significant amount of
>> public money spent on making stuff available to read when hardly anyone
>> wants to read it. It is also an incentive for some authors to pad out their
>> papers to be as long winded as possible.
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>> --------------------------------------------
>> On Fri, 15/1/16, Frank T. Krell <Frank.Krell at dmns.org> wrote:
>>
>> Subject: RE: [Taxacom] Paywall our taxonomic tidbit
>> To: "Stephen Thorpe" <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>, "
>> taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>, "Peter Uetz" <
>> peter at uetz.us>
>> Received: Friday, 15 January, 2016, 11:51 AM
>> Disseminating results is
>> an essential part of the scientific endeavor. If public
>> money is intended for research, this includes making the
>> results known.
>> You see evil
>> problems everywhere, don't you, Stephen. Even in a
>> $20/page open access charge.
>> Frank
>> Dr Frank T. Krell
>> Curator of
>> Entomology
>> Commissioner, International
>> Commission on Zoological Nomenclature
>> Chair,
>> ICZN ZooBank Committee
>> Department of Zoology
>> Denver Museum of Nature & Science
>> 2001 Colorado Boulevard
>> Denver, CO 80205-5798 USA
>> Frank.Krell at dmns.org
>> Phone: (+1) (303) 370-8244
>> Fax: (+1) (303) 331-6492
>> http://www.dmns.org/science/museum-scientists/frank-krell
>> lab page: http://www.dmns.org/krell-lab
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Taxacom [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu]
>> On Behalf Of Stephen Thorpe
>> Sent: Thursday,
>> January 14, 2016 3:02 PM
>> To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu;
>> Peter Uetz <peter at uetz.us>
>> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Paywall our taxonomic
>> tidbit
>> Peter Uetz said:
>> Just make your papers available to everybody, not just the
>> few lucky ones
>> Not sure if
>> he was being sarcastic? I hope so. It amounts to "just
>> make your papers available to everybody (whether they want
>> to read it or not), not just the few who actually want to
>> read it (and pay for it with public money intended for
>> research!)"
>> Stephen
>> --------------------------------------------
>> On Fri, 15/1/16, Peter Uetz <peter at uetz.us>
>> wrote:
>> Subject: Re:
>> [Taxacom] Paywall our taxonomic tidbit
>> To:
>> taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
>> Received: Friday, 15 January, 2016, 7:20 AM
>> Yes! —
>> Zootaxa is probably the best deal you can get.
>> I paid for an open access paper in Zootaxa out
>> of my own pocket, and this was a single author paper.
>> For teams, some of which may
>> have grant money available, it is a no brainer.
>> Just make your papers available to everybody,
>> not just the few lucky ones.
>> Especially
>> if you believe that nothing in biology makes sense except
>> in the light of taxonomy, sorry..., evolution
>> :)
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 9
>> > Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 13:58:22 +1300
>> > From: "Geoff Read" <gread at actrix.gen.nz>
>> > To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
>> > Subject: [Taxacom] Paywall our taxonomic tidbit >
>> Message-ID:
>> > <88e32d0d97f3055d3f25280814fd767f.squirrel at my.actrix.co.nz>
>> > Content-Type:
>> text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > Am I
>> unreasonable in expecting minor contributions to Zootaxa
>> to be > affordable for authors as open access as a
>> convenience for their readers?
>> > For
>> instance that's USD 20 for each author in today's
>> worst 2 page case!
>> > Hopefully they earn
>> (or did) much more that per hour.
>> >
>> > http://www.mapress.com/j/zt/article/view/zootaxa.4066.2.5
>> >
>> > Happens quite
>> frequently - what are these contributors thinking? Should
>> we > perhaps start a fund to help them out?
>> >
>> > --
>> > Geoffrey B. Read, Ph.D.
>> >
>> Wellington, NEW ZEALAND
>> > gread at actrix.gen.nz
>> >
>> >
>>
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