[Taxacom] Nomenclatural availability of preliminary electronic versions of taxonomic papers

Tue Oct 13 18:17:31 CDT 2015

Frank said >In catalogues I would just use the page numbers of the paper integrated in a journal issue, and not the former page numbers of the early electronic publication, because the journal pagination is there to stay<

Except if the print issue has not been published yet! If Scott's question was indeed just about citation of page numbers before the print edition is published, then it is customary to cite, e.g. [3] for the third page. However, if Scott's question was more about preliminary versions published electronically, then one would be very unwise to synonymise anything until the final version of record is published!

Stephen

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On Wed, 14/10/15, Frank T. Krell <Frank.Krell at dmns.org> wrote:

 Subject: RE: [Taxacom] Nomenclatural availability of preliminary electronic versions of taxonomic papers
 To: "Stephen Thorpe" <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>, "Scott Thomson" <scott.thomson321 at gmail.com>
 Cc: "taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
 Received: Wednesday, 14 October, 2015, 12:11 PM

 This is almost true,
 Stephen. There is indeed no mandatory page priority in
 zoological nomenclature. It is merely a convention some
 people like to follow (often because they think that there
 is something like page priority in the Code).
 However, we have Recommentation 69A.10,
 referring to the selection of type species: "All
 otherthings being equal, preference should be given to the
 nominal species cited first in the work, page or line
 ("position precedence")." This is a
 non-mandatory Recommendation, and we have to see if it
 survives the editing process for the next Code. I am not
 sure that this Recommendation makes much sense.

 Position precedence works well
 with a changing set of page numbers, e.g. when an early
 electronic publication with page numbers 1-11 gets
 integrated into a journal issue and ends up to be on pages
 254-265. As long as the pagination goes in single steps from
 the lower to the higher number, there is no problem at all
 to determine position precedence :-)

 Of course, for cataloguers changing page
 numbers are very inconvenient, but as long as we still have
 journal issues to be compiled after the early electronic
 publication of the papers, this is an inconvenience we will
 have to live with, and we can easily live with. In
 catalogues I would just use the page numbers of the paper
 integrated in a journal issue, and not the former page
 numbers of the early electronic publication, because the
 journal pagination is there to stay.

 Cheers

 Frank

 Dr. Frank-T. Krell, Chair, ZooBank Committee
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 Commissioner, International Commission on
 Zoological Nomenclature
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 -----Original Message-----
 From: Stephen Thorpe [mailto:stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz]

 Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 4:58 PM
 To: Frank T. Krell; Scott Thomson
 Cc: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
 Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Nomenclatural
 availability of preliminary electronic versions of taxonomic
 papers

 There is no such
 thing as page priority in zoological nomenclature.

 Stephen

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 On Wed, 14/10/15, Scott Thomson <scott.thomson321 at gmail.com>
 wrote:

  Subject: Re:
 [Taxacom] Nomenclatural availability of preliminary
 electronic versions of taxonomic papers
  To:
 "Frank T. Krell" <Frank.Krell at dmns.org>
  Cc: "taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu"
 <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
  Received: Wednesday, 14 October, 2015, 11:38
 AM

  Hi Frank,

  I find this an
 interesting
  topic and have a question, I am
 currently  reading both yours and Alain's papers. I 
 accept this is a rare scenario  however it  does happen.
 In the event of a later reviewer of a  taxonomic  work
 which has named several  species in the same work, decides
 the taxa are  not all valid and wishes to synonymise them 
 into less taxa (hypothetical  example here)  if we are
 accepting the final immutable version whether  or  not it
 has the metadata are you  suggesting that if we need to
 use  pagination  for determining priority, we take that by
 implication? By  that I  mean just use the logical
 sequence of  the pages to determine priority. Or  once
 the  version with the metadata is out use that to
 determine  the  sequence of the descriptions, but use 
 the date of the final immutable  version as  the date of
 publication? There are very old texts where that  was 
 necessary so its not without precedent  however to my
 knowledge no recent  papers  required this.

  Sorry for

 what sounds like a nit picking question, its not meant to 
 be, I  just like to see the bases covered and  its a
 difficulty that came to mind.

  Cheers, Scott

  On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Frank T.
 Krell  <Frank.Krell at dmns.org>
  wrote:

 >
  Dear Colleagues,

 >
  >
  my paper on the
 same topic that Dubois et al. suggest to  reject is also 
 > available on Research  Gate and academia.edu:
  >
  > https://www.researchgate.net/publication/274372707_A_mixed_bag_when_are_early_online_publications_available_for_nomenclatural_purposes
  >
  > https://www.academia.edu/11757528/A_mixed_bag_when_are_early_online_publications_available_for_nomenclatural_purposes
  >
  > I consider my
  suggestions a more realistic and workable
 approach.
  >
  > All
 the best
  >
  >
 Frank
  >
  > Dr.
 Frank-T. Krell,
  Chair, ZooBank Committee
  > http://zoobank.org

 >
  Commissioner, International Commission
 on Zoological  Nomenclature  > Curator of Entomology 
 > Department of Zoology  >  Denver Museum of Nature
 & Science  >
  2001 Colorado
 Boulevard
  > Denver, CO

 80205-5798 USA
  > Frank.Krell at dmns.org
  > Phone: (+1) (303) 370-8244
  > Fax: (+1) (303) 331-6492

 > http://www.dmns.org/science/museum-scientists/frank-krell
  > lab page: http://www.dmns.org/krell-lab  > 
 >  >  >  >  > -----Original
  Message-----
  > From:
 Taxacom [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu]
  On Behalf Of
  > Alain
 Dubois
  > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015
 6:29 PM  > To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu 
 > Subject: [Taxacom] Nomenclatural  availability of
 preliminary electronic  >  versions of taxonomic
 papers  >  > Dear Colleagues,  >  > We
 published in the *Bulletin of  Zoological Nomenclature* a
 paper dealing  > with the electronic availability of 
 preliminary versions (so-called 'early  >
 views') of taxonomic papers containing  new names or
 nomenclatural acts.
  >

 > This paper can be downloaded at:

 >
  >
  >
  https://www.researchgate.net/publication/282651131_Nomenclatural_availability_of_preliminary_electronic_versions_of_taxonomic_papers_in_need_of_a_clear_definition
  >
  > or

 >
  >
  >
  https://www.academia.edu/16552783/Nomenclatural_availability_of_preliminary_electronic_versions_of_taxonomic_papers_in_need_of_a_clear_definition
  >
  > In this paper,
 we
  proposed the creation of a
 'label' for journals  taking  > the engagement
 to publish online  only one version of each paper, with
 its  > final date, issue number and  pagination.
  >
  >

 Colleagues, editors and publishers interested in this 
 proposal of label  > are welcome to  contact us at
 <zoonomina at gmail.com>.
  >
  > Best wishes,
  >
  > Alain Dubois
  >
  >

 ____________________________________

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  >
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 Editor,
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