[Taxacom] Nomenclatural availability of preliminary electronic versions of taxonomic papers

Tue Oct 13 18:11:08 CDT 2015

This is almost true, Stephen. There is indeed no mandatory page priority in zoological nomenclature. It is merely a convention some people like to follow (often because they think that there is something like page priority in the Code).
However, we have Recommentation 69A.10, referring to the selection of type species: "All otherthings being equal, preference should be given to the nominal species cited first in the work, page or line ("position precedence")." This is a non-mandatory Recommendation, and we have to see if it survives the editing process for the next Code. I am not sure that this Recommendation makes much sense.

Position precedence works well with a changing set of page numbers, e.g. when an early electronic publication with page numbers 1-11 gets integrated into a journal issue and ends up to be on pages 254-265. As long as the pagination goes in single steps from the lower to the higher number, there is no problem at all to determine position precedence :-)

Of course, for cataloguers changing page numbers are very inconvenient, but as long as we still have journal issues to be compiled after the early electronic publication of the papers, this is an inconvenience we will have to live with, and we can easily live with. In catalogues I would just use the page numbers of the paper integrated in a journal issue, and not the former page numbers of the early electronic publication, because the journal pagination is there to stay.

Cheers

Frank

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-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Thorpe [mailto:stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 4:58 PM
To: Frank T. Krell; Scott Thomson
Cc: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Nomenclatural availability of preliminary electronic versions of taxonomic papers

There is no such thing as page priority in zoological nomenclature.

Stephen

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On Wed, 14/10/15, Scott Thomson <scott.thomson321 at gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Nomenclatural availability of preliminary electronic versions of taxonomic papers
 To: "Frank T. Krell" <Frank.Krell at dmns.org>
 Cc: "taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
 Received: Wednesday, 14 October, 2015, 11:38 AM

 Hi Frank,

 I find this an interesting
 topic and have a question, I am currently  reading both yours and Alain's papers. I  accept this is a rare scenario  however it  does happen. In the event of a later reviewer of a  taxonomic  work which has named several  species in the same work, decides the taxa are  not all valid and wishes to synonymise them  into less taxa (hypothetical  example here)  if we are accepting the final immutable version whether  or  not it has the metadata are you  suggesting that if we need to use  pagination  for determining priority, we take that by implication? By  that I  mean just use the logical sequence of  the pages to determine priority. Or  once the  version with the metadata is out use that to determine  the  sequence of the descriptions, but use  the date of the final immutable  version as  the date of publication? There are very old texts where that  was  necessary so its not without precedent  however to my knowledge no recent  papers  required this.

 Sorry for
 what sounds like a nit picking question, its not meant to  be, I  just like to see the bases covered and  its a difficulty that came to mind.

 Cheers, Scott

 On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Frank T. Krell  <Frank.Krell at dmns.org>
 wrote:

 >
 Dear Colleagues,
 >
 >
 my paper on the same topic that Dubois et al. suggest to  reject is also  > available on Research  Gate and academia.edu:
 >
 > https://www.researchgate.net/publication/274372707_A_mixed_bag_when_are_early_online_publications_available_for_nomenclatural_purposes
 >
 > https://www.academia.edu/11757528/A_mixed_bag_when_are_early_online_publications_available_for_nomenclatural_purposes
 >
 > I consider my
 suggestions a more realistic and workable approach.
 >
 > All the best
 >
 > Frank
 >
 > Dr. Frank-T. Krell,
 Chair, ZooBank Committee
 > http://zoobank.org
 >
 Commissioner, International Commission on Zoological  Nomenclature  > Curator of Entomology  > Department of Zoology  >  Denver Museum of Nature & Science  >
 2001 Colorado Boulevard
 > Denver, CO
 80205-5798 USA
 > Frank.Krell at dmns.org
 > Phone: (+1) (303) 370-8244
 > Fax: (+1) (303) 331-6492
 > http://www.dmns.org/science/museum-scientists/frank-krell
 > lab page: http://www.dmns.org/krell-lab  >  >  >  >  >  > -----Original
 Message-----
 > From: Taxacom [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu]
 On Behalf Of
 > Alain Dubois
 > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 6:29 PM  > To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu  > Subject: [Taxacom] Nomenclatural  availability of preliminary electronic  >  versions of taxonomic papers  >  > Dear Colleagues,  >  > We published in the *Bulletin of  Zoological Nomenclature* a paper dealing  > with the electronic availability of  preliminary versions (so-called 'early  > views') of taxonomic papers containing  new names or nomenclatural acts.
 >
 > This paper can be downloaded at:
 >
 >
 >
 https://www.researchgate.net/publication/282651131_Nomenclatural_availability_of_preliminary_electronic_versions_of_taxonomic_papers_in_need_of_a_clear_definition
 >
 > or
 >
 >
 >
 https://www.academia.edu/16552783/Nomenclatural_availability_of_preliminary_electronic_versions_of_taxonomic_papers_in_need_of_a_clear_definition
 >
 > In this paper, we
 proposed the creation of a 'label' for journals  taking  > the engagement to publish online  only one version of each paper, with its  > final date, issue number and  pagination.
 >
 >
 Colleagues, editors and publishers interested in this  proposal of label  > are welcome to  contact us at <zoonomina at gmail.com>.
 >
 > Best wishes,
 >
 > Alain Dubois
 >
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