[Taxacom] Nomenclatural availability of preliminary electronic versions of taxonomic papers
Stephen Thorpe
stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
Tue Oct 13 18:06:15 CDT 2015
You are talking about first reviser actions. Given names of equal priority, you can choose whichever one you wish to have precedence over the others.
Stephen
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On Wed, 14/10/15, Scott Thomson <scott.thomson321 at gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Nomenclatural availability of preliminary electronic versions of taxonomic papers
To: "Stephen Thorpe" <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
Cc: "Frank T. Krell" <Frank.Krell at dmns.org>, "taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
Received: Wednesday, 14 October, 2015, 12:04 PM
I know
that Stephen but it is one way people use to determine
priority when everything else is equal. Sometimes you have
to synonymise multiple names from the same work. Have to
pick somethng.
Cheers,
Scott
On Tue,
Oct 13, 2015 at 7:58 PM, Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
wrote:
There is
no such thing as page priority in zoological
nomenclature.
Stephen
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On Wed, 14/10/15, Scott Thomson <scott.thomson321 at gmail.com>
wrote:
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Nomenclatural availability of
preliminary electronic versions of taxonomic papers
To: "Frank T. Krell" <Frank.Krell at dmns.org>
Cc: "taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu"
<taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
Received: Wednesday, 14 October, 2015, 11:38 AM
Hi Frank,
I find this an interesting
topic and have a question, I am currently
reading both yours and Alain's papers. I
accept this is a rare scenario
however it
does happen. In the event of a later reviewer of a
taxonomic
work which has named several
species in the same work, decides the taxa are
not all valid and wishes to synonymise them
into less taxa (hypothetical
example here)
if we are accepting the final immutable version whether
or
not it has the metadata are you
suggesting that if we need to use
pagination
for determining priority, we take that by implication?
By
that I
mean just use the logical sequence of
the pages to determine priority. Or
once the
version with the metadata is out use that to determine
the
sequence of the descriptions, but use
the date of the final immutable
version as
the date of publication? There are very old texts where
that
was
necessary so its not without precedent
however to my knowledge no recent
papers
required this.
Sorry for
what sounds like a nit picking question, its not meant
to
be, I
just like to see the bases covered and
its a difficulty that came to mind.
Cheers, Scott
On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Frank T. Krell
<Frank.Krell at dmns.org>
wrote:
>
Dear Colleagues,
>
>
my paper on the same topic that Dubois et al. suggest
to
reject is also
> available on Research
Gate and academia.edu:
>
> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/274372707_A_mixed_bag_when_are_early_online_publications_available_for_nomenclatural_purposes
>
> https://www.academia.edu/11757528/A_mixed_bag_when_are_early_online_publications_available_for_nomenclatural_purposes
>
> I consider my
suggestions a more realistic and workable approach.
>
> All the best
>
> Frank
>
> Dr. Frank-T. Krell,
Chair, ZooBank Committee
> http://zoobank.org
>
Commissioner, International Commission on Zoological
Nomenclature
> Curator of Entomology
> Department of Zoology
>
Denver Museum of Nature & Science
>
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> Denver, CO
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>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: Taxacom [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu]
On Behalf Of
> Alain Dubois
> Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 6:29 PM
> To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> Subject: [Taxacom] Nomenclatural
availability of preliminary electronic
>
versions of taxonomic papers
>
> Dear Colleagues,
>
> We published in the *Bulletin of
Zoological Nomenclature* a paper dealing
> with the electronic availability of
preliminary versions (so-called 'early
> views') of taxonomic papers containing
new names or nomenclatural acts.
>
> This paper can be downloaded at:
>
>
>
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/282651131_Nomenclatural_availability_of_preliminary_electronic_versions_of_taxonomic_papers_in_need_of_a_clear_definition
>
> or
>
>
>
https://www.academia.edu/16552783/Nomenclatural_availability_of_preliminary_electronic_versions_of_taxonomic_papers_in_need_of_a_clear_definition
>
> In this paper, we
proposed the creation of a 'label' for journals
taking
> the engagement to publish online
only one version of each paper, with its
> final date, issue number and
pagination.
>
>
Colleagues, editors and publishers interested in this
proposal of label
> are welcome to
contact us at <zoonomina at gmail.com>.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Alain Dubois
>
>
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