[Taxacom] Thesis and new species

[Paul van Rijckevorsel]

So, if somebody has 200 copies of his thesis printed,
puts a copy in the university library and stores the rest
(overnight) in his garage, which promptly burns down
this counts as publication under the zoological Code?

Seems weird to me.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Neal Evenhuis" <neale at bishopmuseum.org>
To: "Francisco Welter-Schultes" <fwelter at gwdg.de>; "Thomas Pape"
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Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Thesis and new species


> So .... if I go to a library and pull a journal off the shelf and read it
> there, that does not count as a published journal??
>
> I think we have restricted "obtained" a bit too much by saying a work in a
> library has to be loaned!
>
> -Neal
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> [taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Francisco
> Welter-Schultes [fwelter at gwdg.de]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 2:13 AM
> To: Thomas Pape
> Cc: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Thesis and new species
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> This is a question that has arisen repeatedly in the past years.
>
> I have inserted a comment to the ICZN-Wiki Art. 8 to improve this in the
> next edition of the Code, to clarify that "obtainable on loan" shall be in
> the sense of Art. 8.1.2.
>
> Francisco
>
>> A work present in a public library can be "obtained on loan" and is as
>> such obtainable.
>>
>> /Thomas Pape
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
>> [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Paul van
>> Rijckevorsel
>> Sent: 13. november 2013 11:41
>> To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
>> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Thesis and new species
>>
>> From: "Francisco Welter-Schultes" <fwelter at gwdg.de>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 4:08 PM
>>
>>> "Obtainable" does probably not mean that after having obtained it you
>>> must have the legal right to possess it. You can order a copy in a
>>> public library, or a public interlibrary loan system, and then obtain
>>> and read it, and afterwards return it. The idea behind the Article was
>>
>>> probably not that people should personally possess something, but that
>>
>>> people have access to information.
>>
>> ***
>> Not that I have anything against libraries, but this is not right.
>> "To obtain = To succeed in gaining possession of as the result of
>> planning or endeavor; acquire."
>> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/obtain
>>
>> The library scenario would include print-on-demand books, or things
>> existing in very few copies. And that very much is not the intent.
>>
>> Paul
>>
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