[Taxacom] Thesis and new species

[Francisco Welter-Schultes]

> So .... if I go to a library and pull a thesis off the shelf and read it
> there, that does not count as a published thesis??

What would be the correct English expression to replace the term
"obtainable"?
In German saying "Du bekommst das Buch in der Bibliothek" would translate
both "you obtain the book in the library" and "you receive the book in the
library", and by the context it would be clear that you get the book to
read it, not to buy it or take it away free of charge.
German children have to be tought in school the difference between obtain
(French obtenir, this term is used in the French Code) and receive (French
recevoir) because we only have one word for it.
(Actually there are various words (bekommen, erhalten, and others), but in
all we do not make this difference).
Now these terms "bekommen, erhalten" imply that you get the book into your
hands, at least for reading it. It does neither mean that you are allowed
to keep it for the rest of your life, nor that you can take it outside the
library at all. So actually the term does not imply that some time later
after you got it, you have to give it back or put it into the shelf again.
I do not know if the English and French expressions are equivalent.

Francisco


>
> I think we have restricted "obtained" a bit too much by saying a work in a
> library has to be loaned!
>
> -Neal
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> [taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Francisco
> Welter-Schultes [fwelter at gwdg.de]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 2:13 AM
> To: Thomas Pape
> Cc: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Thesis and new species
>
> This is a question that has arisen repeatedly in the past years.
>
> I have inserted a comment to the ICZN-Wiki Art. 8 to improve this in the
> next edition of the Code, to clarify that "obtainable on loan" shall be in
> the sense of Art. 8.1.2.
>
> Francisco
>
>> A work present in a public library can be "obtained on loan" and is as
>> such obtainable.
>>
>> /Thomas Pape
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Paul van
>> Rijckevorsel
>> Sent: 13. november 2013 11:41
>> To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
>> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Thesis and new species
>>
>> From: "Francisco Welter-Schultes" <fwelter at gwdg.de>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 4:08 PM
>>
>>> "Obtainable" does probably not mean that after having obtained it you
>>> must have the legal right to possess it. You can order a copy in a
>>> public library, or a public interlibrary loan system, and then obtain
>>> and read it, and afterwards return it. The idea behind the Article was
>>
>>> probably not that people should personally possess something, but that
>>
>>> people have access to information.
>>
>> ***
>> Not that I have anything against libraries, but this is not right.
>> "To obtain = To succeed in gaining possession of as the result of
>> planning or endeavor; acquire."
>> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/obtain
>>
>> The library scenario would include print-on-demand books, or things
>> existing in very few copies. And that very much is not the intent.
>>
>> Paul
>>
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Francisco Welter-Schultes
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